I leaned back and closed my box for a few days, to see what kind of discussion would enfold. And to calm down.
Seymour, at last we seem to have entered an intelligent discussion, without the usual vitriol between us two. I admit, that I have allowed the vitriol
from the veins in my brain leaking out too much occasionally also.
I'm glad that at last we can discuss this important subject in an objective manner. We both need to be grateful for NIcon as a fine intermediate for
catalyzing the reactions between us.
You and NIcon together brought some very interesting points to the table, and I applaud you both for it.
I have concentrated all these years, mainly on the WTC 7 seismogram, and just took some occasional time out to consider the other graphs, when
opponents brought them up.
As I told many times, the WTC 7 graph is the one where all arguments will ultimately hinge on.
The fact that LDEO completed their first 4 impact and collapse seismograms already on Tue Sep 11 between 16:06 and 16:15, while the WTC 7 one cost
them precious time until Fri Sep 14 at 11:52:43 in 2001 was the first fact which attract my attention. See the BATT times at the left bottom of their
You brought the second plane impact up, and its implications for the WTC 7 collapse. That was very good thinking and a very valid argument.
The fact that NIST published the LDEO reports as integral part of their argumentation for several years, and then suddenly erased all that evidence
from their reports, is telltale, i.m.o.
I just skimmed quickly over all posts after my last one.
My first thoughts:
In seismology, we can observe in many published seismograms, also posted ones by me in all my seismic threads; first arriving S-waves, which are
defined mostly as faster high frequency wave trains traveling through the first 300 meters of the upper crust, and in many of them, they have been
explained as probably originating from explosions. See the ones from the Russian sub Kursk incident, or the New Mexico pipeline explosion I posted.
I have contemplated on the first huge pack of WTC 7 peaks being an enormous high frequency S-wave. But normally these S-waves dwarf compared to the
later arriving more consistent lower frequency Raleigh waves which travel in lower regions of the crust.
S-waves quickly diminish over distance, and 34 km is a considerable distance. If that was a HF wave, something very extraordinary must have taken
place inside WTC 7, before we saw the first signs of structural failure.
Remember, the whole WTC 7 graph is depicted in 10 nano-meters per second, a very sensitive manner of recording.
And if you screw up the sensitivity of the 2 Twin Tower collapses to the same 10 nm/s, we saw the same amplitude dual pack of peaks preceding the
following enormous peaks of the global collapse, which may be true, or not, have been assisted with other packs of explosive charges, their nature
unknown yet, thus writing such enormous responses on the seismographs. The sounds of them, drowning in the enormous complex sound of total
I am still trying to find seismograms from thermo baric explosions, but since these things are still considered ultra top secret, we will have not
much chance to find them online. I hope the Russian Intelligence site will assist me in finding one. I am waiting for their response.
I am going to contemplate now on the very interesting facts laid out by Seymour and NIcon, and will also try to find a common modus operandus.
I hope the bulk of intelligent people at JREF now also understand, that this subject is not a source for screen wars, but something which influenced
all your lifes, and has to be resolved as a common goal for all intelligent Internet researchers alike.
I see we at last reached such a consensus, and I am very happy to see this development.
Give me some time; I'll follow your posts in the mean time.
Page 18/56 Figure L–17. Typical built-up column details.
As you can see, these were boxed in columns:
""These built-up columns had a W14x730 core with cover plates welded to the flanges (to form a box) or web plates welded between the flanges as
shown in Fig. L–17.""
There's a post I referred to in this thread, posted by I believe ???-Benson, who told us that a boxed in column will shatter as glass, when filled
with an appropriate thermobaric solution and ignited.
Such an nearly unimaginable high pressure demolition of several fundamental load bearing columns, will send an immense high frequency signal into the
And could cause the pre-structural failure huge seismic signals.
We have still an unknown, the sound of such a demo job, how loud it would be, and how far away it would be heard.
It will fit in the signature of the WTC 7 destruction, as if far down a whole pack of floors was instantly removed, and that's why we saw the whole
skyline of WTC 7 SINK from the sky, in the first few seconds of the videos shown.
My Old Scenario, Renewed, also all data provided by NIST, is my latest proposed scenario.
No different than my original thesis, only this new time of the global collapse signal arrival of now 20:54.2 is even stretched 2.2 seconds further,
i.o.w. later in the seismogram, thus also changing the arrival of that signal at LDEO to 17:21:11.02.
[edit on 17/8/08 by LaBTop]