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posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 06:16 AM
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It has long been an established fact that the democrats, the Liberals, have the ultimate agenda of destroying Capitalism and making our country a carbon copy of some European country. At no other time in history has this been more evident than right now.

Dems/Libs are pushing for a "windfall" profits tax...

Now let's look at it.

Let's say you own the acme rooter tool business. You charge $10.00 for each Rooter. You work off of a 10% profit margin and make $1.00 for each Rooter. The Democrats say that is too much and place a Windfall Profits Tax of 2% on your Rooter. Now all of a sudden, you are only making 8%, or .80 cents.

What do you do? Why you raise the price of each rooter and pass the tax on to the consumer. EXACTLY!!!

WAKE UP PEOPLE

CORPORATIONS DON"T PAY TAXES!!!!!! They raise the price of the goods and pass the tax on to the consumer...

Yet it is more obvious than that.

The Democrat/Liberals WANT HIGHER GAS PRICES...

See, higher gas prices mean you can not drive the big cars and SUV's and that you can't travel as much and tourism suffers..

WONDERFUL FOR THE DEMOCRATS DURING ELECTION TIME...

Want proof.. OK


Democrats want high gas prices. There is no other explanation.

ANWR Exploration
House Republicans: 91% Supported
House Democrats: 86% Opposed

Coal-to-Liquid
House Republicans: 97% Supported
House Democrats: 78% Opposed

Oil Shale Exploration
House Republicans: 90% Supported
House Democrats: 86% Opposed

Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) Exploration
House Republicans: 81% Supported
House Democrats: 83% Opposed

Refinery Increased Capacity
House Republicans: 97% Supported
House Democrats: 96% Opposed

SUMMARY

91% of House Republicans have historically voted to increase the production of American-made oil and gas.

86% of House Democrats have historically voted against increasing the production of American-made oil and gas.

Jessica Well

More? Sure...


The Senate Appropriations Committee today narrowly defeated Sen. Wayne Allard’s attempt to end a moratorium related to oil shale development in Colorado.

* * *

The moratorium prevents the Department of Interior from issuing regulations so that oil companies can move forward on oil-shale projects in Colorado and Utah. Allard said the moratorium has left uncertainties at a time when companies need to move forward and in the long term make the United States more energy independent.

“If we are really serious about reducing pain at the pump, this is a vote that would make a difference in people’s lives,” Allard argued.

But in a 14-15 vote, the committee spilt strictly on party lines and rejected the amendment.

Word of Mouth

WAKE UP PEOPLE

The Democrats don't care about you, all they care about is POWER and the destruction of the American Way Of Life...

Semper




posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 10:00 AM
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reply to post by semperfortis
 


If i am not mistaken, semper, i believe you may have mis-understood what a windfall profit is...

Generic Definition

This link talks about how the idea of a windfall came about

So to use your scenario .. and- if i understand it correctly - and im sure many will say im wrong:


If you were selling acme rooter tools, and another rooter tool company went out of business, and you aquired all of their assets at no cost to you - you would have a windfall profit (see the second link above...i think i get this right) and you would be taxed on your 'additional' income. Not your over-all.

NOW - if you bought out said company that went out of business - windfall would not apply to you. Because expense and labor went into the aquisition.



posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 10:11 AM
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reply to post by semperfortis
 


All they care about are their own lobbyists and special interests. They're nothing more or less than the opposite side of the very same coin as the Republicans. In this case, the Dems have gotten themselves so deeply tied to the environmental movement that they can't be seen as favoring the traditional oil and gas industry whatsoever. As a result, they oppose virtually anything that would allow expansion of that industry, whether it would actually help the country and consumers or not.

And you're right, of course, about corporations simply passing on taxes to consumers. That is indeed what they will do.

[edit on 21-6-2008 by vor78]



posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 04:07 PM
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reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin
 


Not mistaken my friend, you are correct and my point is as well....

ANY taxes to ANY corporation will be passed on to the consumer...

To imagine otherwise is to live with our heads under the sand...

The facts are simple, the Dems/Libs/Socialists use the stance of "caring for the common man" and it is all a huge lie. At least the Republicans/Conservatives are true to their platform, they support corporate America.. Lower the taxes so that "WE" can have some relief at the pumps, grocery store and Walmart...

So the CEO of Exxon makes more money, in the long run, so do I...

Semper



posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 05:44 PM
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reply to post by semperfortis
 



well, i do agree with you in the sense of "passing the buck" to the consumer. But i think there is a limit to which that buck gets passed, until the consumer will simply look somewhere else, forcing the business to lower its prices.

I know this windfall profits tax is aimed at Oil companies.
But i ask you to think of it this way:

They made record profits - billions - i dont remmeber the exact number, not really interested right now


But - their profits were not in line with other businesses as they claim.

They claim they invest in new technologies. Can they give me one example in which gasoline has changed in the last 40 years. If they've been investing for 40 years, why has no new technology sprun forward for petrol?

Regardless of tax - if the oil companies raise their prices to a level that americans refuse to pay (4 dollars or higher) then there will be a huge demand for alternate means of powering their cars.

Eventually that new way will spring up - and the oil companies will be completely out of luck, instead of just "slightly" out of luck due to taxes.

They benefit to stay here, regardless of the taxes, because of the over-all consumption of oil products by americans. For anyone to say that the oil companies would pack up and go - IMO - would be a silly assumption.

Oil has increased in price by 166% in 8 years. I can not find one single other product that can boast such an increase, and can attribute the rise to nothing other than price gouging.....though im open to new possiblities....i jsut cant find any.

So, i apologize, but i dont have a understanding for oil companies making record profits, while im paying record prices at the pump, for the same exact gasoline i had in my car ten years ago.


edit: on a side note --- i do believe we should be drilling here at home, and tell foriegn oil where to shove it




[edit on 21-6-2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]



posted on Jun, 23 2008 @ 12:20 PM
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Thank God we have the Democratic Party (and Independents) to counter the Pro-Corporate mentality of the Republican Party! Otherwise we'd have even more trouble with big busines, and our public lands would be filled with oil rigs and billboards.



posted on Jun, 23 2008 @ 04:10 PM
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reply to post by troos1
 


I agree and people could actually afford to buy gasoline to get to work..

Maybe not have to decide between dinner or fuel oil...

gee, that would really be tough wouldn't it?

Yeah... Good thing we have those good ole democrats

Semper



posted on Jun, 23 2008 @ 04:24 PM
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reply to post by semperfortis
 


I think you have the tittle wrong, is should be does any dirty corporate politician in this nation cares about us.


BTW companies are gouging the America consumer taxes or not already.



posted on Jun, 23 2008 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by semperfortis


The facts are simple, the Dems/Libs/Socialists use the stance of "caring for the common man" and it is all a huge lie. At least the Republicans/Conservatives are true to their platform, they support corporate America.. Lower the taxes so that "WE" can have some relief at the pumps, grocery store and Walmart...

Am i missing something here? All this has happened on Bush's time, WTH?
So now he went to talk to the Saudis to throw a bone for the Republican election... he didnt care before...

You know Semper, both parties are corrupt- you insist the Republican party is so much better...I just dont know what to say that hasnt been said before.

Bush Cheney & corporations such as Hlliburton and the rest have made trillions from this war, they have taken YOUR money in order to kill, and you're worried about taxes and domestic humanitarian causes.

Wow, this just makes my head spin.



posted on Jun, 23 2008 @ 08:24 PM
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reply to post by dgtempe
 


Gas was just shy of 2.00 less and the economy booming when the demoncrats took over control of the true power, the house and senate.

Keep blaming everything on one man if it makes you feel better. Makes no sense whatsoever, but if it makes you feel better, why not...

The simple and inescapable fact is that the Government operates on checks and balances with three very distinct divisions. To continually blame any one person for anything major dealing with the economy is simply blind conspiratorial misunderstanding of the entire system. Generally I let such things go and just get a good laugh at what people think any one person, even the President, is capable of, but you in fact asked if you were missing something. In point of fact you are.

In 2006 the economy was INCREDIBLE and gas was reasonable. What major change has occurred? The election.

Semper



posted on Jun, 23 2008 @ 08:30 PM
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Also remember,

Just because it has been said before does not in anyway make it so.

Just because a few narrow minded individuals that have no real understanding of the functions of the individual government entities, repeat some politically correct mantra until all the liberal sheep jump on the band wagon, does not make it a fact. Entertaining, but not factual.

You can hate the corporations, hate those that support corporate America, that is of course your right and I support it. But don't expect those of us that really know how things work to agree with you.

Many will, especially those that either don't know, don't pay taxes or subsist off of the government coffers. Some few just like being with the "in" crowd.

Just please don't expect those of us that actually understand to agree...

Semper



posted on Jun, 23 2008 @ 08:35 PM
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reply to post by semperfortis
 


I'm with dgtempe on this one,

I am thoroughly disgusted with both parties. We've been going around and around this whole "oil" issue since the Carter days and NEITHER side has done squat, until now...when it's finally causing us VOTERS to get up in arms.

With that said...and if you can believe a WORD coming out of either side's mouths, which I doubt, Obama's "windfall" proposition is so ridiculous that if I didn't laugh, I'd have to cry. Starred and flagged.



posted on Jun, 23 2008 @ 09:10 PM
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Sorry to burst the bubble but our Democrat congress has not denied anything to bush yet.

So to say that it was under the Democratic congress that we are having an economic meltdown is truly grasping for air.

In the last 8 years of the Republicans our nation has been gone down the drain.

Sorry Semper but sugar coating reality is not going to erase history.

[edit on 23-6-2008 by marg6043]



posted on Jun, 23 2008 @ 09:34 PM
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As long as the ELITIST control the front runners and the leaders, there
will never be any truth or integrity in either of the 2 parties.

be it republican or democrat .... Its a NO WIN system for the public...

there are/were only a small hand full of true dems and republicans,
like
kucinich
ron paul
bob barr

so
knowing that the ELITIST control all your front runners and leaders,
you asked do the (Elite controlled) dems care??

NO.....NOT....NIL.....NADA.... void.....

I`ll ask ...Do the (Elite controlled) Republicans Care????

NO.....NOT....NIL.....NADA.... void.....

If they did REALLY CARE... then that would mean the the ELITISTS
had already been overthrown and the people had already taken back their GOVERNMENTS, THEIR FREEDOMS, and THEIR LIVES..........

wow... only in fairy tales huh?
or the Movies...

Or mabey our grand children will tell their
grandkids about the time long ago when the people actually won...
..........for once......



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 06:03 AM
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And neither will Spin...or denial.

No matter how you spin it, Dems have not denied anything, Dems have not done anything, etc etc..

The FACTS remain...

The war has been going on for over six years, four of which we had the best economy in DECADES, what changed? The election and control of the house and senate to the democrats.

It is ever so easy to make excuses when one does not want to face the facts, for that is what we have.. FACTS...

FACT.. 2 years ago gas was very reasonable and the economy was BOOMING....

FACT.. 2 years ago we elected into power a Democrat controlled House and Senate....

FACT.. 2 years ago SEMPER told you to be careful what you wished for, you just might get it...

You Did..

Semper



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 06:09 AM
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Sorry Semper, but is no denial is reality, Bushes war is killing this nation, its populations wealth being and our pockets.

This the way unrestricted corporate power and the pushers of war under an oil man for president has done to us.

Denial is not a pretty thing, and I have been following the markets for a long time.

We have been sold as a nation, wake up and smell reality.

BTW we have one of the most corrupted administration in the history of this nation, as is all done in purpose as we the American people has been sitting letting this dirty politicians do this to us.



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 06:33 AM
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reply to post by marg6043
 


Again...

FACTS as opposed to your EMOTIONS and HYPERBOLE...

Opinions and Hyperbole::::

"Sold as a Nation".... OPINION
"Follow the market".. I have investments in the 6 figure range, so you may imagine I follow it pretty closely...
"Unrestricted Corporate Power".. OPINION and HYPERBOLE
"Bush Killing the Nation"... WOW... BIG OPINION THERE
"Most Corrupt Administration"... BIG OPINION

FACTS::::

Democrats in power two years.. FACT
Economy TANKED IN TWO YEARS... FACT
Gas prices through the roof in TWO YEARS... FACT
Democrats in power TWO YEARS.. FACT
Unemployment rising for TWO years..... FACT
Democrats in power for TWO years... FACT

I can not possibly hope to sway someone that argues emotions, opinion and hyperbole...

Yet the FACTS and the TIMELINE remain...And are undeniable to those willing to look past emotions and opinion.

Semper



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 06:39 AM
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Yes semper, whatever you say, Ignorance is a bliss.

Sometimes escaping reality is the best way to deal with what goes on around us, I can not blame you, just hope that one day you come to realize that we have been taken for ride by our own for the people elected dirty politicians.



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 03:47 PM
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Could you please explain how my FACTS... Yes FACTUAL Timelines and FACTUAL events be Ignorance or escaping reality?

That is the problem with Liberals and their emotional arguments... They "CLAIM" that the FACTS are ignorant, (Completely can't understand that) and that their "OPINIONS" and "EMOTIONAL RESPONSES" are the truth and we should all believe it...

Face it, FACTS are just that; FACTS.. Things that HAVE happened, not what we "THINK" may have happened, or what we "WANT" to have happened or what we can CONVINCE others has happened....

What happened is that 2 years ago we elected a Democratic Controlled House and Senate and several things HAVE HAPPENED since..

1. Gas prices through the roof
2. Economy in the tank
3. Jobs going away
4. Housing Market evaporating

Now those are FACTS, not ignorance, not an escape from reality...

To believe anything else is the true definition of ignorance..


Me?

I'll take FACTS every time...

Semper



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 02:55 PM
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Apparently some facts are hard to swallow Semper... Sometimes I just think a person can make just too much sense that it goes over the heads of those supposedly looking for the truth... what a world we live in

ps... keep up the good work, there are not very many people left that haven't bought into the propaganda of the Michael Moores of the world...






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