The True Story of the Bilderberg Group : Daniel Estulin

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posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 09:13 PM
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A Question:

Is a life in politics irrelevant, as much as a corporate job is?

I'm not being funny, I'm curious.




posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by budski
A Question:

Is a life in politics irrelevant, as much as a corporate job is?

I'm not being funny, I'm curious.


Can I ask you to reiterate your question, because I am not certain as to the context of what it is you're asking?

A life in politics is a double entendre of lies and duality.

To successfully be one of these greedy, scum, ratbags, you must know how to successfully lie to the people you are hiding the knife from that you intend to stab in the back once they fully trust you.

A politician is as much a highly paid liar as a lawyer is a snake in the grass.

Both get paid big money to lie straight into someone's face about facts they know are not true, it just depends on which moron they happen to be lieing to at that moment.

Let's hope it's not you.

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posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 09:22 PM
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Will check out the video, but the word 'Bilderberg' just rings GERMANIC to me, I find that interesting.



posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by menguard

Will check out the video, but the word 'Bilderberg' just rings GERMANIC to me, I find that interesting.


You are quite correct in that it sounds Germanic, but in fact it is Dutch.

Wikipedia - Bilderberg Group

It comes from the hotel where the very first meeting was held, called in fact, the Bilderberg.

Guess the name stuck. Better than the Lil Rascals, I guess.


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posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 09:31 PM
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Wonderfully put.

I Doff my hat to you sir.

And I will ask questions later.





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posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 09:32 PM
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I gotcha ya beat right here, LA RESISTANCE. South park you gotta love it.

READ THE WHOLE BOOK AND FAST CHILDREN.


Check out: Behold A Pale Horse

Has some information that is very interesting especially nowadays where its abudantly clear.








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posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 09:52 PM
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Okay guys and gals, this thread is rolling along quite well.

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For this particular thread, it needs to be oriented around Bilderberger's.

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posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 10:43 PM
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Daniel Estulin's book, The True Story of the Bilderberger Group mentions the CFR, or better known Council on Foreign Relations a lot and specifically in Chapter 10 he nails American politicians that were on it, even though they were both on opposing side of the political battlefield, Democrat or Republican.

The following Presidential nominees were CFR members on both sides for the run for Presidential office according to Daniel Estulin :

CFR Members - Adlai Stevenson vs Dwight D Eisenhower - 1952 and 1956

CFR Members - Richard M Nixon vs John F Kennedy - 1960

CFR Member - Lydon Johnson won re-election against Barry Goldwater(non-CFR, to My knowledge) - 1964

CFR Members - Richard M Nixon vs Hubert Humphrey - 1968

CFR Members - Richard M Nixon vs George McGovern - 1972

CFR Members - Gerald Ford vs Jimmy Carter - 1976

Ronald Reagan defeated Jimmy Carter in 1980, but Reagan was not a CFR Member, but his Vice President George H.W. Bush was one. Reagan staffed his office with 313 CFR Members after winning the Presidency. In 1984 Reagan took on CFR Member Walter Mondale, still having George H.W. Bush as his VP.

CFR Members - George H.W. Bush vs Michael Dukakis - 1984

CFR Members - George H.W. Bush vs Bill Clinton - 1988

CFR Members - George H.W. Bush vs Bill Clinton - 1992

CFR Members - Bill Clinton vs Bob Dole - 1996

In 2000, our current President, George W Bush, went head to head against CFR Member Al Gore, and while George W Bush was not a CFR Member according to Estulin's book, Bush was surrounded by Condoleeza Rice, Dick Cheney, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Lewis Libby, Colin Powell, and Robert Zoellick, all CFR Members.

In 2004, George W Bush, while still not a CFR Member went head to head against John Kerry, a CFR Member, and Bush still had his insider team with him.

What's important to note here, if you read the Wikipedia link I supplied, is that the CFR, or Council on Foreign Relations, is a powerful private organization that has major influence over foreign policy. It is linked to David Rockefeller as well as a think-tank as well as having it's own website here at www.cfr.org... and a magazine www.foreignaffairs.org....









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posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 11:10 PM
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You will notice of course within this thread I began, I have not stated I know these things as fact, but have stated according to or in Daniel Estulin's book he states os something similar. The reason for this is quite clear in that I am leaving it to you to do your own independant investigation based on facts I supplied through the investigation I began on the Bilderberg Group, and in doing it this way, you are making your own decision based on however you deem reasonable.

I'm reiterating this here, so no one can claim I have stated I know the one truth, or know all the facts, and as well, the Bilderberg Group themselves can not say I slandered them or libel, however they possibly could consider attacking if they so chose to do, because according to Daniel Estulin, these people will not hesitate to kill in order to keep their power.

No matter how big or small the threat, to them a threat is a threat is a threat. If they chose however to come after this man writing all of this, they will be making the most assinine decision of their lives, because when it comes to war, I know many dirty, nasty, and all around lethal methods to neutralize someone attacking.

Or, they could choose to hire Me.


Considering I know what I know I know, they better bring the extremely fat checkbook with a lot of 0's at the end of a lot of higher numbers.



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 01:04 AM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas thinking along the lines of what the Bilderberger Group desires, willingly stupid sheep, as human pets, to obey and be subservient.


"The Lord is Thy Shepherd... Thou shall not want..."



I've got a salute for the Bilderberger Group, and it only involves one finger.


It will take more than that... THEY have WMD's, Stealth planes and ships and weapons you have only seen in SciFi movies... while we have pitchforks, pistols and swords. Its not like when we took it from the Brits of the last Civil War where both sides were more or less equal on fire power...

And for those who say our troops won't turn on us, it doesn't matter, because most of the new tech is all ROBOT CONTROLLED

With the Patriot act and Homeland security... we have already signed away our freedom... just to be 'safe' from 'terrorists'

Complacency and apathy have already set in... we all still fill our cars everyday and give in to the robbery...

So ummm just what IS the reason that gas is so high? Does anyone really know considering there is more oil now than ever before?

A friend of mine at work just told me his son was dispatched to Afghanistan, several thousand Marines in a hush hush (according to his son) operation... Anyone know anything about this deployment?

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759







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posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 04:44 AM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
He talks about the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission as well as how American politicians meet with foreign powers and power brokers, breaking the Logan Act which is an American law forbidding these politicians of ours from meeting in secret with with foreign Governments for negotiation purposes.

It's odd how a law like the Logan Act has never had a single conviction in over 200 years, isn't it?


I haven't watched the clip yet, but I did read the wiki link...I think that a point is being seriously missed here and I cannot help but wonder if I'm the only one who read your link - yourself included...


The text of the Act is broad and is addressed at any attempt of a US citizen to conduct foreign relations without authority.


Read through the link you provide and note those that have fallen under investigation under the act and compare it critically to those that have attempted to have the Logan Act repealed.

Bilderberg would not face investigation because it works with the authority of the US government. Obviously



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 04:51 AM
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Our own consensus of what ATS'ers believe here on this stie is available on TinWiki here at the entry for Bilderberg Group, but everyting I have entered prior to this current post has either been through knowledge of politics or based on information from Daniel Estulin's book. These powerful yet corrupt individuals hide in the dark and obscure shadows in that they are so paranoid that the public will find out what they are up to, they withold the meeting's location until one week prior to the event.

This keeps all but the most directly informed individuals from attending their meetings, but those who disagree in their direct oppositional stance of the Bilderberg Group can not attend because they are not allowed entry, seeing as the Bilderberg Group secures the entire hotel of their choosing like the Chantilly Virgina Marriot from this years 2008 event, so that no other guests other than these diabolical and selfishly rich fat-cats can be left undisturbed while they plan and strategize their division of the world while we know nothing of their machinatins.

Their ultimate goal is to tear apart all national boundaries, making the United States, Canada, and Mexico one whole nation, erasing national identity, as well as having essentially already doing this to Europe through the European Union, and their next mission goal is to do the same to all of Asia apparently making Japan the lead country of all of the soon to know as Asian Union. Global domination as well as erasing national identity is the goal as well as One World Government along with uniting the world under Government rule without its citizens acknowledgement and or consent.

Bilderberger on CNN in 2006 on YouTube :


Supposed World Trade Center, September 11th, Bush, Clinton, Silverstein Connection On YouTube :


Speculation of Bush Caught In A Lie About Seeing 1st Plane Strike World Trade Center Tower 1 :


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posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 05:01 AM
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Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
Bilderberg would not face investigation because it works with the authority of the US government. Obviously


Except that they fail to realize that the ultimate authority is the citizens. If an employee (politician) gets out of line, it is the citizen (boss) who has a duty to rectify it. The Act is in place ... people should put up a humongous stick and enforce it (instead of making fools of themselves by shouting in blow horns really loudly).



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 05:20 AM
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Originally posted by budski
Although I despise even the idea of a group like this, one of the founders was Dennis Healey, and he is a very well respected politician,


Hmm, very curious. I've heard the UK researchers mention that Healey was one of the founders before too, but this does not seem to be the case. The four founding members, were:

- Józef Hieronim Retinger 1888-1960
- H. R. H. Prince Bernard
- Dr. Paul Rykens
- M. Paul van Zeeland (1893-1973)

In addition, I have a history written by Retinger himself in 1956, only two years after its founding. I have uploaded it to Scribd, but it's one continuous image - I don't have the means to convert an image to pdf on this pc.

Anyway, take a peak:

Bilderberg Group - the Official History, written by its founder, J. H. Retinger in 1956


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posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 05:24 AM
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You will notice in this quote from the Logan Act, that the President, this being the current one, George W Bush, is the only person designated to be allowed to negotiate with foreign powers.


The President is the constitutional representative of the United States with regard to foreign nations. He manages our concerns with foreign nations, and must necessarily be most competent to determine when, how, and upon what subjects negotiation may be urged with the greatest prospect of success. For his conduct, he is responsible to the Constitution.


It also states he is responsible to the Constitution, for his conduct. Not to Haliburton, not to Dick Cheney, not to Blackwater, but to the Constitution of these United States of America. This means he has to uphold the Constitution of our country, not sell it out to a foreign power.

If the Bilderberg Group was acting with the proper authority here, there would be national as well as international coverage in the news media of some kind, not where American and foreign citizens have to literally practice espionage tactics to gain information, so while you may have part of your comment correct or not, is irrelevant in that if they were acting in our best interest, the media moguls attending the Bilderberg Group's "summit" in a sense would not be hiding every one of their actions, let alone the location, they would be proudly hailing their achievements to the public and touting how responsbile they are supposedly acting.

I can understand and respect their necessity for security as well as the need for decorum at these events, being that they do not want every redneck, conspiracy nutjob, or potential assassin attending their closed events, but it is in that they hide what will be discussed as well as what was discussed, before, during, and after the event has taken place.

This means not just through interpretation of conspiracy theorist's thoughts on the event but through the Bildeberger Group's own actions of essentially lies through omission, they are in fact hiding the evidence of their actions from the public, because they know the public would not appreciate their actions let alone tolerate it. There would in essence be Hell to pay to their constituents as well as to their political careers going up in flames.

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posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 05:33 AM
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You are of course, kidding us about reading that document, right?


I went to peruse it, and I'd need an electron microscope to read the small print of it.


Is there something I'm missing, because I looked around, and didn't see a zoom option?


Let Me know, I'd love to read it, and I've got glasses, they're just not the right prescription for that small text.


I am really laughing here, Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men, I just hope I was wrong somehow, and have not insulted you.

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posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 05:36 AM
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Click the image itself (it is only a thumbnail!). It takes you to the real image. It is quite readable.

[Here, I'll do it for you >Click ME!!!



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 05:52 AM
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Boy do I feel silly right about now.


I did not know I had to find the hidden icon at the bottom of the image, in order to make it blow up to a regular document. I've never dealt with that website you uploaded it to, and now I've learned something new.

Hope you didn't think I was insulting you, because I wasn't, you've actually added a lot to this thread, and I appreciate it.


I'm curious as to where you located this document however. Please elaborate if you can.

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posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 06:04 AM
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I red the book in 2005 and I liked it.

He said Iran must have been invaded in 2006, if I'm not wrong. I suposse this was fixed in the last edition


I think he's right about the way they control people and the beggining of the NWO.



posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 06:13 AM
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Firstly, let us deal with what the Bildergroup Group is not;


  • Bildergroup are international socialists


No they are not. It is an idea, conspiracy, placed by those on the Conservative right who believe Commuinsts are still plotting to take over the world (i.e Alex Jones).


  • Bildergroup is a neoconservative cartel


Again, but this time, the new left believe this secret cabal is associated, or linked, to neoconservative ideology (or what created it) and is apart of a global imperial movement.


  • All members are Masons


Not true. The idea it is a Masonic organisation is on parallel to those who think Bildergroup are Zionists and Jews.

Problem is, when documentating the group, majority of the information is pure hearsay and difficult to confirm. However, unlike the Illuminati, you can prove the organisation does exist.

Are the Bilderberg group placing maledictions upon the human population? Difficult to evaluate because the information being given is not significant and cannot be proven as fact.

But what we do know is this: The following have all attended the meetings;


  • Prime Ministers
  • Presidents
  • Kings and Queens
  • CEO's
  • Members of Congress, the Senate, Parliament


So something is going on at these meetings to require the attendance of the most powerfulest men and women on the global.





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