The Middle Name Hussein for Sen. Obama, page 2


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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 10:49 AM by LLoyd45
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I can't explain the border, Lloyd, but there are many possibilities. Look at the top left and bottom right corners of the OTHER certificate, though. They're "off" square, too.
I'm not claiming it's legitimate either, but it seems much more credible to me with the signatory seal, than the KOS version without it.

You know what's funny? I find it incredible the lengths a person will go to to prove that his CoLB is "fake", (even though the State Department is SURE to have seen the original) but some yahoo on the Internets says he's got a Kenyan birth record and everyone JUST BELIEVES IT! With no proof, no paper, no jpg, no nothing. Some dude just claimed it and all of a sudden, people take it as the honest-to-god's TRUTH! Isn't that pretty funny?
It's funny to me the lengths Obama's supporters will go to prove it's real without any credible evidence to back it up.. Didn't KOS claim to receive it from his campaign headquarters, then later admit to editting it? Has Barack's campaign HQ's even acknowledge it's validity? Not that I'm aware of..

Which position seems more based out of desperation to you? Why doesn't he dispel the rumor if it's not true? Is this just another attempt by him to allow for wiggle room when it's proven to be a fake?

Wouldn't it be a scandal if it's found out he isn't even qualified by the laws of our land to even be a Presidential candidate? Maybe that's why the State Department isn't very interested in taking a hard look at his documents. It would deal a severe blow to their credibility.

[edit on 7/6/08 by LLoyd45]


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 11:52 AM by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by LLoyd45


So - allow me to ask you this, Llyod


If you applied for a job and in your interview

the person says:


"Wow, you're middle name is Chang Jung Il, huh? Hmm. Well, have a great day sir, but we don't condone terrorism around here"


How would you react? I know your name isnt Chang Jung Il, but This guys is.


I agree with you. Nothing should be secret, these people are representing us. His middle name, Hussein, is not a secret. We all know what his middle name is. But whats the point in using in ways the guy did? Its not as if he didnt accentuate it. Because he put emphasis on it, during a time when the photographs of him in a turbin (?) were of big discussion, and his "muslim connections" were still a non-issue

But to show you my point

John Sidney McCain

some people have a first reaction of

"tee hee! His middle name is a GIRLS name, tee hee!"

which is equally as pointless.

The biggest guy on my high school football team had the middle name "ashley" and this guy was a mammoth. You didnt mock his middle name. Asides from the fact he was one of the coolest and nicest guys who ever walked the earth, he'd stomp you in the ground for bringing it up

Our parents name us.

Do you see people out there in MSM land mocking his middle name in ways "hussein" has been mocked?

If we're going to discuss his merits based on his middle name, we might as well talk about his qualifications for eye color, finger nail length, and rather or not he has hallitosis

Just my thoughts, however

[edit on 7/6/2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]

[edit on 7/6/2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 11:52 AM by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by LLoyd45
It's funny to me the lengths Obama's supporters will go to prove it's real without any credible evidence to back it up..


I have said many times that we cannot prove it's real. Fortunately, we don't have to.


Didn't KOS claim to receive it from his campaign headquarters, then later admit to editting it?


They didn't "later" admit to editing it. When they posted it, they said they had cut off the top of the paper, outside the border. That's the only "edit" they did. What "edit" are you talking about?


Has Barack's campaign HQ's even acknowledge it's validity? Not that I'm aware of..


By posting it, they are saying it's valid. As I have said before, they're probably not reading conspiracy sites looking for stuff they need to prove to the doubters.


Which position seems more based out of desperation to you?


Do you really want me to answer that?


Why doesn't he dispel the rumor if it's not true?


As I have said before, he probably doesn't even know there's a crazy rumor! And if he does, he's probably shaking his head and laughing! Why should he cater to the tin hat crowd? Believe it's real or fake. It's not going to make a difference in votes. I mean, if you discovered it was real, you still wouldn't vote for him, right?

Originally posted by LLoyd45
Maybe that's why the State Department isn't very interested in taking a hard look at his documents.


How do you know they haven't?

Do you (and another member who seems to know what the State Dept has or has not seen) have some kind of connection to the State Dept. that indicates they only have the KOS version of the document to examine? Do you actually think a bunch of State Dept. execs are all crowded around a computer, logged into the KOS site zooming in and out looking at the borders and the wavy lines in the cross-hatch pattern of a jpg, desperately trying to determine if it's a fake?

Come on!

ON TOPIC, there's a little movement of Obama supporters who are temporarily taking Hussein as their middle name. I think I'll join them! Of course it will have to be my last name... Benevolent Hussein... I like it!

My Middle Name is Hussein, Too!


[edit on 6-7-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 11:57 AM by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by LLoyd45


About the video with his birth certificate

I believe this forum has already discussed that issue to the point of exhaustion

i've given my opinion....its not a photoshoped document


unless something has changed between then and now

the state official said it was a real document. Thats good enough for me.



reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 12:22 PM by LLoyd45
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I have said many times that we cannot prove it's real. Fortunately, we don't have to.
"Yes", you're right, and it just goes to show how he's getting a free pass on all his lies at the moment. I think in the next couple of months that will change.

They didn't "later" admit to editing it. When they posted it, they said they had cut off the top of the paper, outside the border. That's the only "edit" they did. What "edit" are you talking about?
I wonder what happened to the embossed signature then?

By posting it, they are saying it's valid. As I have said before, they're probably not reading conspiracy sites looking for stuff they need to prove to the doubters.
It'd really be helpful if they would say so directly and not leave themselves so much wiggle room..

As I have said before, he probably doesn't even know there's a crazy rumor! And if he does, he's probably shaking his head and laughing! Why should he cater to the tin hat crowd? Believe it's real or fake. It's not going to make a difference in votes. I mean, if you discovered it was real, you still wouldn't vote for him, right?
I'm sure they're aware of the issue, but until it get's publicized on the news, they'll have no response. All his speeches are reactions to the lies he gets caught up in.

How do you know they haven't?

Do you (and another member who seems to know what the State Dept has or has not seen) have some kind of connection to the State Dept. that indicates they only have the KOS version of the document to examine? Do you actually think a bunch of State Dept. execs are all crowded around a computer, logged into the KOS site zooming in and out looking at the borders and the wavy lines in the cross-hatch pattern of a jpg, desperately trying to determine if it's a fake?

Come on!
No connection here, but I know a fake when I see one. I'm sure in the days ahead you'll being hearing more about the issue though.

ON TOPIC, there's a little movement of Obama supporters who are temporarily taking Hussein as their middle name. I think I'll join them! Of course it will have to be my last name... Benevolent Hussein... I like it!

My Middle Name is Hussein, Too!


[edit on 6-7-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]
That's cool! Maybe you could include his other middle name too!


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 12:24 PM by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by RRconservative


But the reasons you believe parents shouldnt name their children certain names are the same reasons we're saying "its not an issue!" or rather "it shouldnt be an issue!"

But some people do make it an issue.

Some people do think the name "Hussein" is of pure evil, because Sadamn has the same last name, of the middle name of Barack.



lets take a look at few facts

What Hussein means


Sadam did not come onto the scene in Iraq until the early 1970's
Source

Barack Obama was born in 1961 Source


So, Obamas mother named him "hussein" 10 years before the evil dictator of Iraq.

How is there anything sinister with his name? I dont know

Why people continue to make it an issue to try and discredit him, the world will never know

[edit on 7/6/2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 12:32 PM by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by LLoyd45


Actually, she said

“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.


Source

again - i dunno why we're talking about this again
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