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Topic started on 19-6-2008 @ 09:36 PM by Ian McLean

Senate Housing Bill Requires eBay, Amazon, Google, and All Credit Card Companies to Report Transactions to the Government


www.freedomworks.org
Washington, DC - Hidden deep in Senator Christopher Dodd's 630-page Senate housing legislation is a sweeping provision that affects the privacy and operation of nearly all of America’s small businesses. The provision, which was added by the bill's managers without debate this week, would require the nation's payment systems to track, aggregate, and report information on nearly every electronic transaction to the federal government.

FreedomWorks Chairman Dick Armey commented: "This is a provision with astonishing reach, and it was slipped into the bill just this week. Not only does it affect nearly every credit card transaction in America, such as Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and American Express, but the bill specifically targets payment systems like eBay's PayPal, Amazon, and Google Checkout that are used by many small online businesses. The privacy implications for America's small businesses are breathtaking."
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reply posted on 20-6-2008 @ 06:15 AM by Jessicamsa
Originally posted by Ian McLean


Think the stuff you buy on Ebay is a private citizen-to-citizen transaction? Not quite! The IRS wants financial records, and they want their money, too:

This proposal is estimated to raise $9.802 billion over ten years.


Anyone think this transaction information will stay 'safely' within the IRS? Perhaps DHS might be interested in exactly why you bought that survival gear...


www.freedomworks.org
(visit the link for the full news article)


Ebay sellers already have to report their income to the IRS. This is creating a massive database.

Ebay got hacked last year and the hacker posted details on the message boards such as name, address, phone number, credit card info, the unique database alphanumeric sequences each user is given when he/she registers which is not known to the individual, etc.

This has lots of potential problems.



reply posted on 20-6-2008 @ 09:49 AM by kosmicjack
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Bill Summary:
Payment Card and Third Party Network Information Reporting. The proposal requires information reporting on payment card and third party network transactions. Payment settlement entities, including merchant acquiring banks and third party settlement organizations, or third party payment facilitators acting on their behalf, will be required to report the annual gross amount of reportable transactions to the IRS and to the participating payee. Reportable transactions include any payment card transaction and any third party network transaction. Participating payees include persons who accept a payment card as payment and third party networks who accept payment from a third party settlement organization in settlement of transactions. A payment card means any card issued pursuant to an agreement or arrangement which provides for standards and mechanisms for settling the transactions. Use of an account number or other indicia associated with a payment card will be treated in the same manner as a payment card. A de minimis exception for transactions of $10,000 or less and 200 transactions or less applies to payments by third party settlement organizations. The proposal applies to returns for calendar years beginning after December 31, 2010. Back-up withholding provisions apply to amounts paid after December 31, 2011. This proposal is estimated to raise $9.802 billion over ten years.


I am so disgusted because I really thought Dodd was one of the good guys. This legislation is no different than the neo-con FISA/Domestic Spying issue, a degradation of our civil liberties. Furthermore it is sure to help with the agenda of pushing controllable and trackable digi-dollars.


[edit on 20/6/2008 by kosmicjack]


reply posted on 20-6-2008 @ 10:36 AM by Maxmars
reply to post by kosmicjack



I don't know about you, but I'm starting to think of the politicians the same was as I think of professional wrestlers. Who the 'good guys' and 'bad guys' are is scripted according to demographics and whim. They take turns as best they can. But in the end they all get told what to say, do, and become by the same director. One party - the only one.


reply posted on 20-6-2008 @ 11:38 AM by Zarniwoop
Originally posted by Ian McLean

Think the stuff you buy on Ebay is a private citizen-to-citizen transaction? Not quite! The IRS wants financial records, and they want their money, too:

Anyone think this transaction information will stay 'safely' within the IRS? Perhaps DHS might be interested in exactly why you bought that survival gear...


I don't necessarily agree with this legislation, but the summary states that only the gross amount of reportable transactions will be reported to the IRS.

Payment settlement entities, including merchant acquiring banks and third party settlement organizations, or third party payment facilitators acting on their behalf, will be required to report the annual gross amount of reportable transactions to the IRS and to the participating payee


This means that the third party that settles credit card transactions for a business must report to the IRS the total dollar amount for the year paid to that business for tax purposes. No detailed transaction information is involved.

The implication here is that come April 15th, if there is a large discrepency between reported income by a business to the IRS, and the amount reported to the IRS by the settlement institutions to that business, there 'may' be reason to believe that the business did not report truthfully.

Good or bad, this appears to be another mechanism to audit tax returns rather than track individual behavior, etc.

Why this is burried in a seemingly unrelated bill is highly suspect.

EDIT: Spelling

[edit on 20-6-2008 by Zarniwoop]


reply posted on 23-6-2008 @ 12:08 AM by Ian McLean
Whew! I finally managed to track this down in the Congressional Record:

Congressional Record Page S5902
Congressional Record Page S5903

Note that the 'De Minimis' exception (less than $10K and less than 200 transactions) only applies to '3rd Party Settlement Organizations', not merchant acquiring banks, or transactions resolved for any entity who 'provides for the issuance of payment cards'.

See the linked PDFs above for the complete text, or search for the page numbers on thomas.loc.gov. BTW, anyone know how to make a permalink into a Thomas search result?
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