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Originally posted by TheRedneck
Why do I care? Because that means that proof is in the mind of the skeptic.
In other words, it is impossible to prove something to me that I do not accept as fact. All of the evidence can point to a conclusion you want me to accept, but the subject is still not proven until I, as skeptic, state it is.
For example, take one one of my pet subjects, the dangers of smoking. A non-smoker can tell me all day long that smoking will kill me. They have not proven their point until I accept their premise that smoking is dangerous. They can tell me about tests that have been done, and I can find flaws with the tests. They can tell me how many doctors agree on the subject and I can dismiss the doctors' statements as opinion. In short, no one can force their proof upon anyone else.
What could not be proven to you?
What would you consider good, reliable evidence to prove something to you? Or what can you not be convinced of, regardless of evidence, and therefore cannot be proven?
And, perhaps more importantly, when should we as society force acceptance of a concept upon those who have not yet accepted our proof?
lA. The electron is a wave.
lB. The electron appears as a wave when measured with instrument-l.
2A. The electron is a particle.
2B. The electron appears as a particle when measured with instrument-2.
3A. John is lethargic and unhappy.
3B. John appears lethargic and unhappy in the office.
Originally posted by TheRedneckIn this forum (ATS as a whole), I see posts every day that contain the word 'proof'. "I have proof of ____", "I can prove _____", "Here's proof that ____". They have evidence, not proof, because proof cannot exist without skeptics being convinced.
I realize that common usage of 'proof' tends to include 'evidence'. But in reality, proof is still in the eyes of the skeptic. I want to know what everyone here thinks about this, and this forum seems to me to be tailor-made for this discussion.
Originally posted by TheRedneckWhat could not be proven to you?
Originally posted by TheRedneckWhat would you consider good, reliable evidence to prove something to you?
Originally posted by TheRedneckOr what can you not be convinced of, regardless of evidence, and therefore cannot be proven?
Originally posted by TheRedneckAnd, perhaps more importantly, when should we as society force acceptance of a concept upon those who have not yet accepted our proof?