Why do you say the difference is pay? It is called work ethic. Let's be polite about this and say that people in NOLA don't have any. People in Iowa make the same amount of pay but, they also took their job because they want to do a service.

[edit on 19-6-2008 by eric52081]

I dont agree with Rush much but I agree here. It just goes to show you a difference in people. These people are all banding together and helping themselves and New Orleans sat back and did nothing but cry for the government. Great post and star and flag for you.

The diference is 1) You have a more rural setting with smaller communities that have more personal relationships and less concentrated damage per square mile, 2) You don't have so much of a population that was victim of racism and has a collective trauma and an understandably negative view of the white population, 3) these people weren't abandoned for days in an urban setting and left to their own devices while the police promptly defended the richer population and restricted access to aid while cadavers were floating, 4) you don't have white supremacist morons in new orleans spreading the feel good factor to other white supremacist morons.

And average income, not just of police but everyone, might have something to do with the state of affairs to.

Stop these nonsensical polarizing thread that serve no other purpose than to throw salt into old wounds.

[edit on 19-6-2008 by Zepherian]

Katrina was a 7 or 8 out of 10 on a destructive scale.

Iowa is about a 2.

I have been through Iowa kind of floods and they are not nice, but they are nearly as destructive as a hurricane.

Katrina was a storm that brought shock and awe. New Orleans was cut off from help and help did not arrive for over a week or more. (to some longer) The Katrina people, including the police, just got hungry and needed to eat.


Rush is doing his radio show for ratings, money and prestige. (not that I am against him or anything)

So if you are trying to get any sort of truth out of Rush's radio broadcast it is going to be a very lopsided truth, at best.

Enemies of truth.-- Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies.

Nietzsche's Human, all too Human



[edit on 19-6-2008 by whiteraven]

Originally posted by whiteraven
Katrina was a storm that brought shock and awe. New Orleans was cut off from help and help did not arrive for over a week or more. (to some longer) The Katrina people, including the police, just got hungry and needed to eat.

The folks in NO also got bored, so they needed TVs.

The folks in NO also got dirty, so they needed new clothes.

Why pay for things like that when you don't have to.

And why blame them for that? They were in the middle of chaos just trying to survive. What happened happened and the insurance companies should pick up the tab. If I were caught up in that hellhole and freezing cold, the last thing I would be doing is trying to find the store owner to pay for the coat I need. People in NO lost everything, and with the absence of aid for days of course they needed to ignore normal law and order to survive. Normal law and order ignored them...

This thread is infested with mildly disguised racism and no common sense.

Did anyone read the source material? The thrust of it is at the end:

Nevermind that more than 1700 human beings lost their lives on live television as America watched in horror. You don’t hear progressives saying that Iowa is any less devastating because the death toll in those floods was a total of 5. It is still a tragedy. And progressives understand that full well.

But according to Rush the story of Iowa under water isn’t a story about humans over coming adversity. It’s a story about how much more patriotic the white bread basket is than the lazy south.

Talk about blatant stereotyping! Isn't it easy to broadly paint the illict acts of a few upon the whole of New Orleans.

Leave it to Rush to stir up a little race-baiting. Apparently his strategy of appealing to the lowest denominator works.

[edit on 6/19/2008 by maria_stardust]

Originally posted by Zepherian
And why blame them for that? They were in the middle of chaos just trying to survive. What happened happened and the insurance companies should pick up the tab. If I were caught up in that hellhole and freezing cold, the last thing I would be doing is trying to find the store owner to pay for the coat I need. People in NO lost everything, and with the absence of aid for days of course they needed to ignore normal law and order to survive. Normal law and order ignored them...

This thread is infested with mildly disguised racism and no common sense.

OMG Because the people in NO didnt have to rape people and shoot people to survive. They didnt need to rob jewelry or big screen tvs. Instead of worrying about survival they were worrying about what kind of shoes they were going to steel. Notice I dont mention grocery stores because I would be robbing grocery stores if I had to to survive but all this other crap was unnecessary and shows character. Some people in IA lost everything too. There is no aid in Iowa as of today and this flood has been going for a week. You can spin it any way you want it just shows the difference in character. The people who want the government to do everything for them and the people who are more self reliant. Plain and simple as that.

Also I dont think anyone has mentioned race there was white people in NO doing the same thing. It shows you character. You are just putting it on race because that is the first thing you people do when you cant debate the real issues.

[edit on 19-6-2008 by mybigunit]

Originally posted by Zepherian
And why blame them for that? They were in the middle of chaos just trying to survive. What happened happened and the insurance companies should pick up the tab. If I were caught up in that hellhole and freezing cold, the last thing I would be doing is trying to find the store owner to pay for the coat I need. People in NO lost everything, and with the absence of aid for days of course they needed to ignore normal law and order to survive. Normal law and order ignored them...

This thread is infested with mildly disguised racism and no common sense.

The folks in NO were given way more warning than the folks in IA and IL, had they spent the time preparing or evacuating this would never have been an issue.

Instead they were idiots and stayed in place, and then whined and cried when the federal government didn't do the state govenment's job and save them.

In fact in my NOLA and much of the south they have Hurricane Parties. They get totally hammered and ride out a hurricane for the fun of it. And since I know what kind of partying they do in NOLA i figure most of them just didn't take it too seriously. I bet they will next time thats for sure.

The impact of this disaster will be felt long after the water receeds.... This is the bread basket of America folks... Things won't go back to normal when the land dries up... In many cases, it is too late to replant and with our stocks of grains at an all time low, there is nothing to replace what has been lost... Where do you think the food you gorge yourselves on comes from... It doesn't magically appear at the whim of the gub'mint.... Its not like money.. you can't just push a button and the press puke out $100 bills... no.. it comes from hard work and substantial investment of capital.... NO amount of food stamps and gub'mint assistance will work at MikeyDs or Burger King when the graineries are empty and there are no cattle in the feedlots... whatcha gonna do then?

We can only look to the example of the good folks in NO after Katrina... TAKE IT!!! The fable of the ant and the grasshopper instantly comes to mind... Those who have prepared and taken the initiative to look out for their family will become the victims of the robberies and rapes and murders... Without the "tit" of the gub'mint to suck off... rest assured they will TAKE what you have with impunity... 4th and 5th generations of welfare recipients can't fend for themselves... no matter what color they are...

My father was a simple dirt farmer but even in the rough times... we always had food on the table and clothes on our backs and it wasn't from the gub'mint.... His motto was "Prepare for the worst and hope for the best" and make sure you are stocked up on Beans, Bullets and Bandaids...

I will agree that murder and rape is unnecessary.

River flooding can be predicted are at least some level of it suspected by watching the rain and conditions upstream. Hurricanes are also watched but landfall predictions are not extremely accurate many times outside of 12 to 24 hours. The folks in NO didn't know that levees would be failing and would allow the city to flood. Maybe it should have been expected.

When Rita followed it was to hit near my place on the coastal bend of Texas, my neighbor actually sent his family to stay with parents in east Texas, about 200 miles aways. Rita changed and hit at that east Texas area and we didn't even get rain here. So much for predictions and evacuations for that one.

Actually had it been on the original course many people were set up for a big hurt due to the people being told to leave the Houston area. They were all over the highways, out of fuel. One huge mess that by some blessing didn't turn ugly.

I do agree that IA folks are doing the right thing and showing what people should be.

The differance is that people in NO had no idea the levees would break. The people in Iowa did. Yes in New Orleans they had ample warning, but let's remember this was a low income area and most people didn't have transportation to get them out. And those that did spent 15 hours or more on the highways trying to get out! Some of them ran out of gas doing so. So the poor went to a place they were TOLD to go. The superdome. And what happened? Days without food or water, children sick and dying due to dehydration and those that wanted to leave to seek help for their children were told they could not leave. This would drive ME as a mother to kill any ADULT in my way. I would kill ANY ADULT to save my child. Did they have to rape, no they did not, but those in the superdome were under circumstances that you and I could never imagine!

Let me put it to you this way. I'm not worried if I give too much info on where I live. Here's the deal. I too live in the bread basket. I live in an affluant suburb of the Kansas City metro area. If we flooded on the scale of New Orleans, I mean the whole city plus the suburbs and rural areas, here is what would happen. Downtown KC and the "hood" would errupt in mass looting, riots, rapes, murders, etc. The suburbs would have mild looting due to teenagers but not really any other crime and not by adults and the rural areas would behave just like those in Iowa. That's the facts folks. I dare anyone in Kansas City to deny it! This is the heartland of America, but there are still bad people here.

Comparing farmland in Iowa to a major urban city like New Orleans is like comparing apples to aliens. YOU CAN'T!