Originally posted by jasonjnelson
So your point is, that as an agnostic you cannot believe in any beginning?

no my point is that
A: I don't know how it began, as in what if anything preceded the big bag.
B: religion doesn't belong in the science class.

And the bible view, as the other Stardust put it, is actually accepted by all THREE of the major world religions. It is NOT just the CHRISTIAN view.

so what? atheists, Wiccans, Buddhists, Hindus and many more all beg to differ

Originally posted by jasonjnelson
And the bible view, as the other Stardust put it, is actually accepted by all THREE of the major world religions. It is NOT just the CHRISTIAN view.

The point is it is still a religious view. Religion has no business in a public classroom setting.

Religion falls under personal belief systems. What right does anyone have to proselytize to another parent's children without that parent's consent?

For example, would a Mormon appreciate a Catholic preaching to their child? Or, how about a Muslim to a Protestant? Dare we forget the hostility between the Irish Protestants and Catholics.

You can be dismissive of the ideology behind the separation of church and state, but it exists for a reason.

so what? atheists, Wiccans, Buddhists, Hindus and many more all beg to differ

I beg to differ too. After studying all three major religions I formed the opinion that Jews, Christians, and Muslims are the same. The only differences being the manner of worship and customs observed by the faithful. They all share the same deity, and most of the same beliefs. (Although as far as holy books go the Koran is, in my opinion, the most beautiful of the three.) Just because the monotheistic religions make up the lion's share of the world's religious people doesn't mean their mythology should be taught above others.

Originally posted by jasonjnelson
Seriously, cite it, don't just throw out a misquote like "separation of Church and State NYAH NYUH!

NYAH NYUH... Nice schoolyard taunt tactic. That little "HAND" thing was cute, too. Makes for serious and civilized debate.

Tell you what, first you explain as to why a religious belief ought to be taught to other parents children without their express consent in a public classroom setting.

Better yet, why should religious belief be allowed into the public school system at all?

Because, after all this is what it comes down to.

Isn't Louisiana one of the states doing the most poor in math and science? Figures... I'm rather glad, I'm no where near the bible belt. And while I don't have any quarrels with people believing in creationism as it is ...the schools will be forced to introduce all forms of creationist ideologies from all religions. Hopefully, afterwards, the ACLU will get on their backs for refusing to teach other creationist stories, from other religions that are not Christian...so forth..anyway, it will be amusing

Originally posted by dbates

Originally posted by maria_stardust
the issue of the seperation of church and state.

Of course you must realize that this "issue" isn't actually mentioned in any law or in the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution only states that Congress can't make laws to restrict religion. Look hard at the Constitution and you won't find the word "seperation" in there anywhere.

True indeed, the seperation is a elite masonic law put in place to seperate us from belief and leave us as shells ignorant in our life. Creationism and evolution are indeed the same but science leaves out glaring facts and twists the truth to suit their needs of power over others.

GOD or Galaxy of Duality is truth. At center of our GOD is a massive black hole in which a state of constant time exists. On one side of our GOD is a feminine vortex sucking all matter and spewing it out a giant phalic on the other side. In a jet of plasma matter swirls back to and around center according to its frequency. Its a gigantic circuit of charged particles that fuel everything and create everything. The sun is electricly charged negative and when these particles in space contact the sun we get a huge constant electric shock effect not fusion. That is why you see sun spots where the core is cold and the surface is hot but the corona is hottest. In time the side that GOD is looking at will fill completely and than boom another big bang.

The luciferian aliens know this and used the knowledge to try and make us slaves to ourselves and them. For the luciferians are fear but we can take that fear and through choice we can grow stronger in belief/spirit. Balance your body and mind with the knowledge of good and evil and take from the tree of life.

Zero point energy is blasphemy against balance and electricty. Anyone who's studied electricity knows its a lack of electrons that drive a circuit's current and to create energy from nothing is improbable.

What everyone needs to learn for themselves is the truth stated from all religions about alien visitors followed by a miraculous geneticly abnormal birth from GOD. I say shinanagins on the luciferians pretending to be GOD. Its a good thing they cant see love like we do, otherwise wed never be able to get the counter-intelligence out to the masses.

Never put yourself above anyone else for we are all the same and to forgive is divine. The aliens want us divided through pride of who is right about life and religion. So we should follow in the footsteps of god and give our pride a toss and let the feminine side of us rule. Maybe then we can finally be a planet free from the four horsemen's tyrany. Now if we can just get the lucferian angels to repent and throw themselves through GODS' feminine sided time loop...

Look, honestly what the hell does it matter. I could have been taught that green spiders laid eggs and we hatched from them............I still would have made my OWN decisions as I grew up. Honestly, I was amazed to learn that Louisiana had schools.