Louisiana About to Pass Law to Teach Creationism!!, page 2
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reply posted on 19-6-2008 @ 10:02 PM by maria_stardust
reply to post by GradyPhilpott



As far as strawmen go, I do dumped him over 20 years ago!

Perhaps, I misunderstood your post. But it seemed to impy that the you're just fine with the teaching of intelligent design or creationism in school.


reply posted on 19-6-2008 @ 10:36 PM by maria_stardust
reply to post by GradyPhilpott


On the contrary, it should be everyone's business. If this goes through in Louisiana, then it sets a precedent that makes it easier for other states to follow suit.

What gives this particular segment of society a right to demand that religious doctrine be taught in public schools? That's basically what it boils down to.


reply posted on 19-6-2008 @ 10:40 PM by drwizardphd
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Sentell explains that the bill "would allow science teachers to use supplemental materials, in addition to state-issued textbooks, on issues like evolution, global warming and human cloning. The aim of such materials, the bill says, is to promote 'critical thinking skills, logical analysis and open and objective discussion of scientific theories being studied,' including evolution." Bill sponsor Sen. Ben Nevers (D-Bogalusa) explained: "I just believe that it is important that supplemental scientific information be able to be brought into the school system."


I wonder just what other "supplemental materials" they have in mind? The bible perhaps? I don't know of any "supplemental scientific information" that supports the creation theory.

While it would be nice to let the Louisiana school districts decide whether or not they want creationism taught in school, its simply not acceptable in a science class. The problem is that teachers are as opinionated as anyone, and every teacher is going to be bent on pushing their agenda in their classroom.

Anyone who's been through public school in America knows this. We've all had our liberal nutbag teachers and our conservative lunatic teachers, each who would spend more of the class hour talking about their particular politics than what they were supposed too. I'll never forget our IB calculus teacher who spent several entire lessons one week attempting to mathematically disprove evolution and pushing the young earth creation theory.

The sad fact is these teachers are going to teach what they believe, and in the end its just going to confuse and mislead students. The people who will suffer the most through all of this are Louisiana students, who by the time they graduate highschool won't know a 4.5 billion year old earth from a 5000 year old earth.

I believe a great compromise for the Louisiana school districts would be to allow teaching creationism in science at the elementary and middle school levels, but only teach evolution in science at the highschool level. That way students can see both points of view during their formative years, but when they grow up and start to become adults they can be educated like adults. Separate creationism into a world religions class (which could, and should, be mandatory), and leave evolution to the science classroom.


reply posted on 19-6-2008 @ 10:40 PM by schrodingers dog
reply to post by GradyPhilpott



I tell you what, you can teach creationism in school by law when scientists can teach evolution in church, BY LAW!
You have the rest of the day to indoctrinate your own children, keep away from mine!
End of story.


reply posted on 19-6-2008 @ 10:56 PM by GradyPhilpott
reply to post by schrodingers dog



You've obviously lost your presence of mine and your objectivity.

Do you live in Louisiana?

If not, what business is it of yours?

As I said, the people of Louisiana feel differently than you, so you can vent your hostility elsewhere.

I'm not your enemy.

I put my money on evolution, but I'm not afraid of opposing theories getting their day in the court of public opinion.

I'd like to know who made you the font of all knowledge that you would feel compelled to attack me for my opinion and to deny the people of Louisiana the right to choose the curriculum of the schools they pay for?

You're being just a little bit presumptious.


reply posted on 19-6-2008 @ 11:00 PM by GradyPhilpott
reply to post by Mr Mxyztplk



Well, obviously, if you're right, the Supreme Court will settle this matter in short order, if the bill does indeed become law.

What are you so worked up about?


reply posted on 19-6-2008 @ 11:07 PM by Mr Mxyztplk
reply to post by GradyPhilpott


what I'm worked up about is the fact that maybe this time they'll win on the federal level and get this taught through out the nation. ton's of time and tax payer money will be waisted because some people can't tell the difference between science and religion.


reply posted on 19-6-2008 @ 11:09 PM by schrodingers dog
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They cannot. The principle of separation is too fundamental to the first amendment even with these supreme court justices. Think about it, it would open the door for muslim, jewish, and any other faith based belief to be taught. It won't happen, it's just grandstanding.



reply posted on 19-6-2008 @ 11:17 PM by GradyPhilpott
Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to
post by Mr Mxyztplk



They cannot. The principle of separation is too fundamental to the first amendment even with these supreme court justices. Think about it, it would open the door for muslim, jewish, and any other faith based belief to be taught. It won't happen, it's just grandstanding.


This has nothing to do with separation of church and state. Only the most disingenuous would make such an assertion, but of course that is the stance of the ACLU.

The First Amendment proscribes a state religion and not the mention of God in the public sphere.

Why don't you just admit it. It's idea of God and the believers that you hate.

You couldn't care less about the origin of species or even science for that matter.

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