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Grounding too harsh, court tells dad

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posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 09:34 AM
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Not ALL, but a good part of this problem is the conflict between the separated parents.

The mother enabled this lawsuit by granting her proxy (right) as an adult to the child. The courts could never take a case from a child (chattel, you know.)




posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 09:40 AM
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I have been reading the answers to this report and something came to mind. I truely believe the coursts are intensionaly trying to alienate the parents and children. Most of you know Shrillery's quote "It takes a village". Well that is exactly what the Nazi's and Socialist/Communist governments have done all over the globe. Take the kids and educate them before the parents have a chance to instill the morals that help the cohesiveness of the family. The Government is the only authority. They are the arbiters of your life. They decide what channel you take in your life to agrandise the state not your own dreams. Make mind numb robots of our children to gain total controll. This judge is just a tool of the controllers. He to is a mind numb robot!!!


Zindo



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 09:53 AM
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Ouch! That hadn't occurred to me. I would hate to see people surrendering to the 'establishment' like that! But this case does look tailor made for the purpose doesn't it?



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 10:21 AM
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Wow!!! so now the courts are getting into peoples business and telling them how to raise their children. Well, this case doesn't surprise me in the least. If my kids ever disrespected me in that way (don't have any yet) I don't know what I would do. It seams as a previous poster had stated that the mother encouraged her along to get back at the dad.

Its the lack of discipline today that is one of the big reasons most kids have no respect for their elders or authority.

Here's a news article on how now the government is getting into your business on how to raise your children. When I was a child I was spanked (not beaten) here and there when I did something very bad. It didn't make me into some horrible person....in fact it probably kept me from becoming a complete a$$hole .


Senators approve anti-spanking bill

A proposed law that could see parents charged for spanking their children is heading to the House of Commons after clearing a major hurdle in the Senate.

"No corporal punishment would be allowed, either by an educator, the mother, the father or someone acting for them," Hervieux-Payette said.




News source


What is this world coming to? looks like more and more our rights are being stripped away from us. I know a few people that don't believe in discipline and their kids are frigging obnoxious terrors. They feel that its better to reason with them.........um you CANT REASON with a 4 year old. Their kids are probably going to grow up without ANY respect for authority nor anyone else for that matter.



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 10:21 AM
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Sure this goes on and it is happening here. I mean why do you think kids are so uninformed today on history and other issues. Think about it you and I talked about this another time take the Civil War. When you ask a kid why we fought the Civil War they all say the same thing that the evil south had people in slavery even though you and I know different. Same with money why do you think they dont teach you about money in school. Money is one of the more prominent issues in a persons life and they dont teach about it in school? I was talking about this to a local teacher here and she didnt agree with me there was a mass conspiracy for the government to stupify our people but she did say this. Since she started teaching more than 20 years ago she has seen a major decline in educational standards and agendas.



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 01:32 PM
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I cannot believe that the "system" is taking control over how parents punish their children. She was posting inappropriate pictures of herself on the internet. Wow boggles my mind. First you can't spank your children without CPS getting on you but now you can't ground them. I guess teaching your children values and morals is no longer acceptable.....No wonder so many of these "kids" grow up all messed up with no direction....It is sickening and makes me want to puke!!


-Kdial1



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 01:50 PM
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OMG... this is bull crap. I got grounded from the internet and wasn't allowed to go to some school functions either, but all I did was yell.

Jeez. Does this mean I could have taken my 6th grade teacher to court for not allowing me to go on a school field trip that my Dad paid for and signed the slip just because I was getting an F in Math? I would have loved to the sue the crap outta her... she made fun of me in front of the other students because I had a LD problem in Math, made me cry in front of the other student's, and upset my Father and Grandmother by telling them I was the worst student she ever had and wouldn't amount to anything at a parent/teacher's confrence which I was there for. The school board wouldn't do anything because it was Mrs. Travis's last year and she'd lose her benefits/pension if they did anything, and the other class was full. Is it any wonder I had self esteem problems back then?

Anywho... if my kid did this to me I wouldn't take em back either. I'd say since the court ruled in her favor they can take care of her until she learns her lesson... like living in the RW! I really don't understand today's kids, thinking they can take their parent's to court, etc. I mean, to tell you the truth I am so afraid to give my son a light putz on the butt when he's really naughty. How are we supposed to discipline our kids if the state won't let us, and then they wonder why the kids are so unruly nowadays. I can see if you are beating the crap outta the kids, etc but not over a simple grounding!



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by MacSen191
I mean, to tell you the truth I am so afraid to give my son a light putz on the butt when he's really naughty.




Don't let them make you start thinking like that, because when you do they've won, they being the goverment. That's their intent is to lay the groundwork to take our children away from us. They want to make it impossible for us to discipline our children and then when they're older and out of control they swoop in and either take them away stating that we have no control over them, or the want to hold us responsible for what the kids do after they've taken away our control.



When my sons were growing up i always discussed things with them and explained to them why they couldn't do something and were expected to act a certain way, but if they needed a good old fashioned butt kickin believe me they got one. I don't mean abuse i just mean a good butt kickin. Know i have grandchildren and they know that if they misbehave in a certain way they're due for a spanking.



We can't allow the goverment to dictate how we raise our children, if we do then we've lost everything.



Zindo, i agree with you 100% !



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 03:13 PM
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posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 03:43 PM
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The Government is the only authority.


This is actually legally the truth. Parents are only custodians of their children, but the children are the property of the State. That is why the State can come in and take anyone's children at any time, without warrants or criminal proceedings.

This was talked about more in this thread...

www.abovetopsecret.com...'



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by jackinthebox
That is why the State can come in and take anyone's children at any time, without warrants or criminal proceedings.

They can take my children from me over my cold, dead corpse... Until such time, they aren't getting near my kids. Ever.



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 04:15 PM
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Only in Canada would this happen. I'm Canadian btw, no flaming. I'm also a parent of 18 years seniority. The gov. does nothing but restrict a parents ability to raise them properly, not by judicial BS. We provide an excellent environment for our kids growth. If they don't like it they are free to seek other means. "Enjoy your new foster home." Don't agree with a well deserved grounding? Seek room and board elsewhere. No prob. "Hope it's as least as good as you have it now."

Children's Services were adopted for a damn good reason. To look after kids that were being abused. They have gotten WAY out of control.



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by Dan Tanna
When my daughters 12, and if she pulls this #e... and goes to court for being grounded...

i'd tell her to go rent her own flat, pay her own food bills, pay her own way in life... the lot.

This whiney little ##### would get a right sudden shock to the system.

I'd put the ##### in care. Screw her and her future...i'd go on holiday with her college fund.




yes i agree, im noticing an increasing amount of these scenarios taking place in america, im mildly shocked that it is taking place in canada or any other country.
though i im not sure punishing your kid by forcing them out of the house would work in this type of situation. next thing you know the court is looking to place you in jail for abandonment adding injury to insult.
i guess im supposed to let my duaghter exploit herself on the internet along with the rest of the younger generation.
nothing says good parent like letting your 12 year old turn into a total slut for all to see and whats even better letting everyone know that you are the wonderful parent that was responsible for this new underachiever.

yeah give me a break. the fault falls on the court system for even entertaining this situation.
GOD HELP US ALL>.



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 08:24 PM
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WOW i really want to burst into a cursing fit on the internet over this.. a little @!##!# here and a little ##$%#@ there.
whole lot of #!#!#!@# for good measure!

i really cant understand whats happening to "civilization".
people allways getting bright ideas, no wonder people are unable to achieve anything greater than what they have now.
what a waste of space, people in general.

its times like this im glad to be leaving a superpower for a 3rd world country. they really have the right idea, yeah things are backwards and screwed up but for the most part they stay out of your business.



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 08:33 PM
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I'm probably going to get a lot of people telling me I've gone off the deep end here, but I think that this just goes to show how much power the goverment now has over us. I think, that at the rate we're going, we'll end up like the Community in the Book, The Giver.



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 08:33 PM
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posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 08:34 PM
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posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by ZindoDoone
 



The Government is the only authority.


This is actually legally the truth. Parents are only custodians of their children, but the children are the property of the State. That is why the State can come in and take anyone's children at any time, without warrants or criminal proceedings.

This was talked about more in this thread...

www.abovetopsecret.com...'







uhh yeah so lets see how free i am for what im about to say..
it is for things like this i can "understad" why some people resort to violence, bombing, threatening, and the like.
when you have a mentaly deficient bureaucratic principality overseeing absolutly everything to the extent of micro managemening the air i breath.
i have a bright idea if i may be so BOLD.
how about charging me for the air i breath because you knowwwwwwwwwwww,,,,,,,, im using up my fair share and god forbid i get away with that.
i pray all this comes to an end soon. lets see if im placed in gitmo now and water boarded for even sounding anti social. time will tell i guess and if i say im willing to die before i give anyone the pleasure of incarcerating me.
bring on black suit red tie!



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by The Soldier Of Darkness
Completely absurd...

The world is going to hell in a handbasket...

Anyways, not my problem though, ain't no way in hell im ever getting married or having brats running around costing me a fortune...

I'm after the good life thanks...


Thank you- there are many people who should take that route, as well. Unfortunately we actually have someone here who took responsibility for his kid and tried to do right but was undermined by the courts.

What is wrong with the mother? There is no way Im going to let my girl grow up to be a skank- not under my roof. She can do that on her own dime. I am surprised that the father was harder on her than the mother. As the female role model she should expect more from her daughter and be apalled that the girl, at 12 years old, was on the internet posting pictures and attracting pedophiles. SHe should be terrified that the girl will run off with someone at the trip .

It is probably a personal dispute between the parents themselves. People are so vindictive after divorce that they dont always put the childrens' well-being first. The mom may have a lot of bitterness and just wanted to be contrary- screw the dad any way she could. Nevermind the cost to the kids. It happens all the time.



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 10:02 PM
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If I were that father, I would swear out a warrant against the Judge for promoting " Child Pronography " on the internet - with the Royal Mounted Canadian Police Service.



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