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Grounding too harsh, court tells dad

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posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 04:52 PM
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Grounding too harsh, court tells dad


www.news.com.au

A CANADIAN court has lifted a 12-year-old girl's grounding, overturning her father's punishment for disobeying his orders to stay off the internet.

The girl had taken her father to Quebec Superior Court after he refused to allow her to go on a school trip for chatting on websites he tried to block, and then posting "inappropriate" pictures of herself online using a friend's computer.
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posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 04:52 PM
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Is this another instance in which the lawyers need to be beaten with a big stick called common sense?

Ok, so there's parental abuse rife in today's world, but has this father gone over-the-top? Did it really need to be heard in a court of law???

Annoying.

www.news.com.au
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posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 06:05 PM
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Ok, this is bull. so children can now take their parents to court for grounding them? this court has set a president that will cause more cases in the future.



posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 06:12 PM
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When my daughters 12, and if she pulls this #e... and goes to court for being grounded...

i'd tell her to go rent her own flat, pay her own food bills, pay her own way in life... the lot.

This whiney little ##### would get a right sudden shock to the system.

I'd put the ##### in care. Screw her and her future...i'd go on holiday with her college fund.



posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 06:18 PM
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OMG! This is getting out-of-hand in many countries' courts. I am up for placing or reducing the number of lawyers. With so too lawyers, people are able to go to court for stupid things like this. Society should have done something a long time ago. When criminals could sue homeowners for having a faulty roof or a slippery floor. Common sense is being thrown out of the window.



posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 06:45 PM
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Talk about throwing out the baby with the bathwater! This goes beyond absurd. Obviously, this kid needs more than a grounding. Cut off her cell phone, do away with her allowance, no dessert and lights out by 7pm.

Sounds like princess needs a reality check!



posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 07:47 PM
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Simple solution to all of this...turn off the internet at the house. One of my sons was ...lets say browsing unacceptable sites, his mother saw this in the history on that computer...and said to all of the kids (man I remember this!)..internet is gone!...someone is surfing porn!..and all are going to pay the price...we went a whole year without internet....and I am a network engineer!

turn it off, internet is not a right...and as the bill payer the parents have the right to say, we dont want that!...bye bye internet.

Children these days are toooooo privelged...take some away, it wont kill'em.



posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 07:58 PM
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DeadBang, I think you hit the nail on the head, DeadBang On! As they say. But I am not sure if you even noticed quite how.

The court overturned the Father's decsion. I think in this regard a Mother is the more formidable as you were alluding to.

Truly Fathers are generally considered the Authoritarian of the family. But Mothers well. . . they rule and when they do, as a general rule the discussion is over.

Will the courts begin to jail parents for grounding their children? They might get away with it with a Father, but start jailing Mothers for grounding their children and they will see a new fresh hell come down upon them.

I wonder if for a moment they considered the effect this will have upon the child. That child will never listen to the Father again. And when she runs amuck they will jail the father for negligence.



posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by maria_stardust
Talk about throwing out the baby with the bathwater! This goes beyond absurd. Obviously, this kid needs more than a grounding. Cut off her cell phone, do away with her allowance, no dessert and lights out by 7pm.

Sounds like princess needs a reality check!


The sad thing is she has been given the upper hand by the courts. If he were to actually do any of these things, she'd just take her dad back to court.



posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 08:03 PM
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There HAS to be more to this than meets the eye. Parents have to give permission to go on trips to release liability to the schools. How does the court get around this?

Is it okay to just be Flabbergasted?



posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by jasonjnelson
There HAS to be more to this than meets the eye. Parents have to give permission to go on trips to release liability to the schools. How does the court get around this?

Is it okay to just be Flabbergasted?


Just a guess, but I'd say he likely gave permission (signed the form) & then revoked permission as part of her punishment.

As for being flabbergasted, yeah, I'm right there with you. I just went through a similar thing with my teen son & the notion he could sue me to go to say, football camp, really shocks the heck out of me.



posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 08:17 PM
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How do the kid's lawyers get paid? This kid is only 12, so it's quite unlikely that she's working. How irresponsible of a law firm to take on a 12 year old's case when it's hardly even an infringement of her rights. How do you distil discipline into children if you can't ground them?



posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 08:22 PM
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Thanks, ...it also led to 2 outcomes...

1. Since the inernet has been back on bout 1 1/2 yrs now...all computers are porn free! My wife knows how to check, our machines REALLY are porn free!

2. the son in question is the next to the youngest of 8, it did not take long for the kids to sort out who,what,when,and where..and everytime the issue of no internet came up...they turned up the heat on their brother...kinda self policing.

No one messes with a pissed off mom!



posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 08:25 PM
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As a mother to teenagers... I was shocked by this.

All I can say is.. not in my household!

Let me catch my kids online doing something inappropriate or being in places they shouldn't be.... as one poster said.. bye bye internet! Not too mention, they would NOT be going to friends' houses that have internet. Not till the lesson I want imprinted on their little brains is set!

I can honestly say, I do not have out of control kids. They respect me and they know they can talk to me if they feel a punishment or rule is unfair. They also know that should they disrespect me, they will rue the day. I am a firm believer in busting their tail ends if it is needed.

Father should have tore her butt up every time she broke a house rule.. perhaps then it would not have gotten to the point the child took him to court.

VV



posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 08:29 PM
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I remember a Bill Cosby album where he told us about how his father enlightened him when he got a bit sassy.
He said his father told him he'd put him in the ground. He made him and it didn't take that long to make another just like him. Sage wisdom this little brat needs to have imbedded in her sassy butt!

Zindo



posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 09:13 PM
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So let me get this straight. We have judges ordering spankings with a paddle, we have judges putting fathers in jail for nineteen year-old daughters not getting their GED, but it is illegal to ground your kid?!?! WTMF?!

Now that I've gotten that out of the way, I think teens, boys especially, should be able to browse a little internet porn if they feel the need. Might keep them out of lil' Susie's pants. No posting pics or sex chats or any of that though. Keep it at about the level of the nudie book stashed in the mattress. Maybe even "have the talk" and designate a few "softer" sites that are "acceptable."



posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 09:23 PM
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Absolutely reprehensible action by the court. That court has blatantly overrode any authority that father will ever have on that child again. Might as well go ahead and get her on food stamps and welfare (or whatever they call it in Canada) now cause she will never be a productive member of society.



posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 09:34 PM
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This is going to be the start of some interesting court cases. Since WHEN were Parents taken to court by their whiney kids? What the HECK is happening to this world? Since WHEN did a 12 year old CHILD have the right to question her father's rules?

When I was growing up, my parents were always right. I never disobeyed my parents. If my parents said No, the answer was No. I never screamed in Super Markets, I never touched anything in stores, I NEVER challenged my parents when they said I would be disciplined.

If i had even DARED to threaten my parents, I'm sure my father's reply would have been something like this "Okay so you're all grown up now? You can make rules for yourself? You can pay your own bills? Lets just get your suitcase and take you down to the Bust Depot - then you can go wherever you want to go. Have a lovely life!"

Children these days, are growing up with less manners, and respect. It irks me SOO much to see ****head children. Seriously I wasn't raised that way! I wasn't raised to cuase problems, or to be ridiculous! I was raised to be courteous and respectful. I saw this woman in Wal-Mart last week, with this screaming kid who wanted Candy...and she GAVE it to him!! I coulda smacked her for it!!! If i had of pulled that kind of stunt, I'd be sitting in the car all by myself while the rest of the family shopped, or Dad would have driven me straight home and I woulda been spanked.

I think the father should have actully ENFORCED his rules. If the internet is not allowed, then the internet is not allowed. If friends are not allowed over, then friends are NOT allowed over! Simple as that. As soon as you show your children that you don't mean what you say, they will walk all over you.

- Carrot



posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by jackinthebox
Now that I've gotten that out of the way, I think teens, boys especially, should be able to browse a little internet porn if they feel the need.

Yeah, I completely agree here.

I was a teenage boy - once! Every teenage boy I knew, at some stage, dug though dad's porno magazines in the attic for a look at some pages. Would you rather your kids searching through some softer porn on the internet in the safety of their own home, or would you rather them trying to access who-knows-what somewhere else?

At least on your home computer, you can monitor the sites they visit and communicate with them. Wait, I see a problem with that: The word 'communication' - some parents don't know what it means or how to use it with their children.



posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 10:21 PM
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Here is the last part of that article....as it was cut off...
www.canada.com...


After discovering that, the father told his daughter she couldn’t go on the three-day school trip. According to Beaudoin, the daughter “slammed the door” and went to live with her mother, who was willing to let her take the trip.

However, the school wouldn’t allow the girl to go unless both parents consented or she obtained a court order. That prompted the girl, with her mother’s support, to take legal action against her father, culminating in Friday’s ruling.

According to Beaudoin, Tessier found that denying the trip was unduly severe punishment. The fact that the girl is now living with her mother also factored into the judge’s ruling, she said.

The father, who is appealing the decision, was “devastated” by the ruling, Beaudoin said. He is refusing to take his daughter back “because he has no authority over her.”


Pretty obvious he won't take her back now. I wouldn't.



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