Global Economic Crash Late July!, page 1
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Topic started on 18-6-2008 @ 09:02 AM by behindthescenes
When mainstream economists begin to sound like an average Above Top Secret contributor, then you know we're headed for hell.

The word is out and it's dire. Think the worst is over for the credit crunch? Think we're in as deep a recession as we're gonna get? Haha! This was just a preamble.

The chief economist at the Royal Bank of Scotland says
the global economy is headed for a crash unseen in over 100 years, beginning sometime this July. Translated another way -- by the end of the summer, we'll be in full-blown Great Depression II.


"Cash is the key safe haven. This is about not losing your money, and not losing your job," said Mr Janjuah, who became a City star after his grim warnings last year about the credit crisis proved all too accurate.

RBS expects Wall Street to rally a little further into early July before short-lived momentum from America's fiscal boost begins to fizzle out, and the delayed effects of the oil spike inflict their damage.


What makes this prediction chilling is the mode by which this will come about -- oil. The oil price surge will finally work its venom fully into the world economies by the mid-summer; inflation will spike to headline-making levels; and then the mass layoffs come.

Suddenly the Fed and other central banks are in a real Damocles Sword scenario: Ordinarily, the Fed would cut rates to spur growth. This time, with rapid inflation, they will have to raise rates. That will not only choke growth, but will steepen the economic decline.

Remember, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke is a "student" of the first Great Depression, having wrote many studies, such as this noted 2004 speech, on the subject. His main contention was that monetary policy makers in the lead-up to the depression caused it by bowing to outside forces to increase the interest rate.


The market crash of October 1929 showed, if anyone doubted it, that a concerted effort by the Fed can bring down stock prices. But the cost of this "victory" was very high. According to Friedman and Schwartz, the Fed's tight-money policies led to the onset of a recession in August 1929, according to the official dating by the National Bureau of Economic Research. The slowdown in economic activity, together with high interest rates, was in all likelihood the most important source of the stock market crash that followed in October. In other words, the market crash, rather than being the cause of the Depression, as popular legend has it, was in fact largely the result of an economic slowdown and the inappropriate monetary policies that preceded it. Of course, the stock market crash only worsened the economic situation, hurting consumer and business confidence and contributing to a still deeper downturn in 1930.


Translation: When the Fed increased the interest rate, it shrank the money supply, which shrank world output and GDP, which fueled depression.

Today, he's in a real pickle: Does he stick by his guns, keep rates low, maybe even cut them more and risk an inflationary spiral not seen since the 1970's, or perhaps even as bad a Germany in the run-up to WWII? Or does he bow to world banking pressure, spike rates as a way to strengthen the dollar and deflate the price of oil, but risk spiraling our economy even further into the abyss?

Ladies and gentlemen, this is the worst economic plight we may ever see in our entire lives. It has the wholesale potential to change the very fabric of our country, its institutions, its government and its role as a world leader.


reply posted on 18-6-2008 @ 10:06 AM by mpriebe81
Originally posted by behindthescenes
Originally posted by Alethia
When we talk about "the world will change", change in what way? I just want an idea so I can prepare!


Okay, here's one scenario.

Let's say that the national unemployment reaches as high as 15% (given the commodities crisis, it could go a lot higher). That's a lot of people jobless, most of whom will likely be penniless at some point. Starving? Even more likely with food inflation.

Remember, the government went on a spending spree to clothe, feed and ultimately, put America back to work as a way out of the first Great Depression (which ultimately ended due to spending on WWII). Our government currently is spending at levels that will bankrupt our economy in the mid-term. You think they're gonna be able to feed and clothe us this time around? Let alone give us jobs?


THIS!! Better get up to snuff on those survival skills if need be. If this is the scenario that takes place, there will obviously be riots going on in plenty of the cities nationwide. Logic dictates that we get the heck away from those cities...better get some good topographical maps and find a suitable piece of wilderness to rebuild in.
Another scary thought....if this is where we are headed, martial law is likely not far behind....what kind of treatment are we to expect from the military and government if they ever come across your self-reliant little group in the woods?
There are too many unknowns, but man what a scary scenario we are likely to be faced with.


reply posted on 18-6-2008 @ 10:46 AM by duffster
This is a good way to sum up the Global crash

The scenario I foresee is that market-based panic will, within a few days, drive prices up skyward. And as supplies can no longer slake daily world demand of over 80 million barrels a day, the market will become paralyzed at prices too high for the wheels of commerce and even daily living in "advanced" societies.



The trucks will no longer pull into Wal-Mart. Or Safeway or other food stores. The freighters bringing packaged techno -toys and goods from China will have no fuel. There will be fuel in many places, but hoarding and uncertainty will trigger outages, violence and chaos. For only a short time will the police and military be able to maintain order, if at all

And this

. . when the truth can no longer be obscured, the price will spike, the economy nosedive, and the underpinnings of our civilization will start tumbling like dominos. "The price of house will collapse. Stock markets will crash. Within a short period, human wealth -- little more than a pile of paper at the best of times, even with the confidence about the future high among traders -- will shrivel.



There will be emergency summits, diplomatic initiatives, urgent exploration efforts, but the turmoil will not subside. Thousands of companies will go bankrupt, and millions will be unemployed. "Once affluent cities with street cafés will have queues at soup kitchens and armies of beggars. The crime rate will soar. The earth has always been a dangerous place, but now it will become a tinderbox . . .

All very scary stuffand to think it's not far away

www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net...


reply posted on 18-6-2008 @ 10:49 AM by Anonymous ATS
How much of this "inflation" is really a result of raw material cost increases?

Case in point,
General Mills today announced that its earnings per share spiked by 11%. I haven't read their 10Q yet, but I'm willing to wager that much of that higher revenue has to do with the prices increases they've been funneling down to your grocery aisle.

And I'm going to guess that those cost increases for your box of Sugar Smacks more than cover the rising costs of corn.

I think we're gonig to see Corporate America do a little experiment in price gouging in the coming months, under the excuse of raw material cost increases.....


reply posted on 18-6-2008 @ 11:51 AM by behindthescenes
Originally posted by shaolin_dragon
This a really naieve question, so dont flame me, as i dont know a whole lot about stocks and shares. If we pulled all our boys (us/uk) from iraq and afghanistan, and diverted that money that we spend every day for the so called war on terror to the stock markets/oil, is it possible that this credit crunch could be averted?? Or is it too late for that?


Part of your scenario addresses the root problem of our situation, but as to that plan, no, that would do nothing, except that the government would become a major player on Wall Street.

But the cost of the war has, in part, created this situation. In order to finance the war, the government has been literally printing dollars. It's a very basic explanation, but not very far from the truth. You see, the Fed had the interest rate so low for so long, it created a world of cheap credit. Couple that with a whole world of investors through hedge funds and other unregulated groups who invested in everything from stocks to bonds to real estate using other people's money (through loans by banks and investment firms), and anything could be had at nearly any amount. It's why we saw run ups in commodities, real estate and unprecedented levels of merger and acquisitions (or companies buying each other).

This was fueled by the housing market. Mortgages were given to anyone regardless of credit because those mortgages could be pooled together into investment vehicles like bonds and sold on Wall Street. When that fell apart (subprime crisis), the domino effect snowballed through everything and led to banks losing potentially trillons of dollars, every bank scared to do business with other banks and customers for fear of future losses, the value of the dollar plummeting on the world stage, etc.

Unfortunately, this will be solved by Economics 101 -- time. We have to go through this pain. The fundamental market system will recover -- always does. But like we saw through the reaction following 9/11, what aspects of our free market economy we hold dear will become victims of politics, overreaction and greed?


reply posted on 18-6-2008 @ 11:56 AM by TheRepublic
reply to post by behindthescenes



after the bear stearns collapse i was on youtube watching videos about it and one guy was on there saying he had inside news saying it had been planned to happen on sept 18th (or maybe it was 16th. i knew it was 3rd week of sept on an even number business day).

Now normally i wouldnt believe something because some guy on youtube said something, but the thing is it matches up with things i know to be true by themselves.

the unfortunate thing is i cant seem to find the video, maybe it was removed.

but the things i know are:

1)there is no foundation for this market anymore. it is being completely propped up by manipulation. they are just buying time. after the bear sterns collapse it became evident that the crap hit the fan (and if the fed hadnt done highly illegal things it indeed would have)

2) the financial collapse will be planned for an end goal. that goal is controling of the population, and the seizing of true wealth.

3) such collapse will probably happen in early to mid fall because people will not be able to find or grow food for themselves for the longest amount of time from then on as a whole across the US. This makes people in a depression easier to control. a good 3-6 months of winter will do wonders in getting people to submit.


like i said i wish i could find that video now. but rest assured you are correct, we are financially in uncharted waters heading for a gigantic iceberg.


reply posted on 18-6-2008 @ 03:44 PM by jefwane
The market is currently retesting the March (Bear Sterns) lows. We currently have a confirmed Hindenberg Omen on the clock which since 1985 has been one of the most reliable signals to a substantial market decline. ( Hindenburg Omen ). It looks like Saudi Arabia no longer has the power to increase production enough to tamp down oil prices. Many, many banks are on the verge of collapse, and if they were forced to actually mark to market and take the losses on the things they have on their books as Level 3 assetts we'd see lots of names everyone knows be bankrupted overnight. The FED has lent most of it's available balance sheet to various financial entities through the TAF, TSLF, etc... facillities; and is about to either have to get the Treasury to print or sell its longer dated holdings into the open market . The first is like throwing gas on a fire in regards to inflationary effects and the latter would hit the bond market causing interest rates to moonshot putting the final nail in the coffin on housing and limiting the abillity of companies to grow by increasing costs to borrow.

Ostrich syndrome is widespread particularly amongst that large cohort of Boomers about to retire. They lost their butts in the tech wreck in 2000 retrenched into housing and now its busting. I don't see anything encouraging in the medium to long term economically. Congress will do anything to try to avoid the pain that is coming and though it is possible that they may succeed temporarily the longer it takes the pain to come the worse it will be.

It would not surprise me to see a short term bounce of this bottom followed by a substantial downturn into the end of summer. I think however that all bets are off after the Beijing Olympics.
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