Down with the Dalai Lama

Originally posted by Breifne
Anyway, I don't think that hanging out with celebs etc is any cause for concern to the West or China. What is of concern is the oppressive Chinese regime that brainwashes its people to believe whatever it wants them to believe. They control the media, are under accountable for their actions, have militarised to the extent of an oppressive totalitarianism state and are truly undemocratic ...

Hold on ... no, sorry... that's the USA.

Originally posted by purplemonkey
well is all i can see in that 'report' which is actually and opinion piece is a whole lot of unsubstantiated allegations backed up with no evidence except for a bit of reporter hear say...

must of been a slow news day?

And why do the Chinese members of ATS (i know massive generalisation but whatever) always seem to bash western media as if its unique. Do you really believe what your government is feeding you is the facts because i assure you its just the some hyped up propaganda BS the west gets... don't be so arrogant!

Originally posted by nahsik
The chinese government is a perfect example of the effect the NWO can have on the world.

I doubt people living in china would be allowed onto a site like this with their internet filtering.

Originally posted by nahsik
okay i'll put this whole free tibet into some form of perspective. Let tibet be america and China be russia. Lets say Russia takes over America, kills people who don't abide by the new government. Russia says America can live as a normal country but will have to accept boatloads of people and not only that they will have to conform into the russian culture (cultural genocide, If you have seen any of the destroyed buddhist temples, the killing of monks have also been going on since China took over). Now since we live in a modern world America decides they want independence. Russia is not willing to give it up since its invested money meaning a few hospitals and schools as china has said with tibet. Why would tibet want to live in a communist reign where they are fed the chinese culture and their way of life.

How can you even give a country who has the so many human rights problems at the moment the olympics. Is it about money at the end of the day? Did you know so many chinese people went homeless after there houses were demolished to make way for the olympics.

So the best way you believe to combat this is by slander? You love stooping as low as this.

[edit on 18-6-2008 by nahsik]

Originally posted by Breifne
reply to post by zhangxi0183

 

I would tend to believe that the DL is a tool for the CIA - in fact, he must be the most diplomatic tool the CIA have ever used or invested in, and it works. One ''holy man'' versus the Chinese - don't we all love the underdog?

Anyway, I don't think that hanging out with celebs etc is any cause for concern to the West or China. What is of concern is the oppressive Chinese regime that brainwashes its people to believe whatever it wants them to believe. They control the media, are under accountable for their actions, have militarised to the extent of an oppressive totalitarianism state and are truly undemocratic ...

Hold on ... no, sorry... that's the USA.

I suppose you may have a point there after all.

My point is, ... Sort those issues out yourselves I suppose is my point.

Brei.

1. The United States goes into some 3rd world hellhole with a brutal dictator and spends trillions of dollars destroying every last vestige of that form of government and attempting to implementing our own form of government.
   
2. Unfortunately, the brutal form of government flees before being rounded up and executed and the people are given political refugee status in another country for nothing other then propaganda reasons.
   
3. Then said government in exile is funded and supported to such an extreme that the invading country has no choice but to continue fighting insurgents and the insurgent mindset in the far flung corners of their newly conquered territory for decades afterward.
   
4. During all this time you continue to modernize the countries farming and economy. Through social measures you create, for the first time in several centuries, a true sense of equality among the people. No longer are monks (the old ruling class) seen as more valuable than the common farmer.
   

Originally posted by zhangxi0183
let tibetan be indian will be more analogical. british puritan take over north america.. hmm.. massacre

Originally posted by spines

Originally posted by zhangxi0183
let tibetan be indian will be more analogical. british puritan take over north america.. hmm.. massacre

I give no forgiveness for what my ancestors did hundreds of years ago, and for what my government still does to this day. I do not see how that negates the point.

Evil doesn't just cancel out evil.

edit: The post above me wasn't there when I started to reply but, the same message more or less applys to that poster as well. I would add that oppressors replacing oppressors may be progress...but should not be the end goal.

Didn't the Dali Lama come out and say that the next Lama should be elected into position? Or was i mistaken in my hearing of that story?

That would seem like some progress towards a more democratic system. It might not seem like a huge move at first, but taking the 'god' out of your government (literally), is a big step forward in my opinion.

[edit on 6/18/0808 by spines]

Lakota Sioux Declare Independence from USA
Freedom! Lakota Sioux Indians Declare Sovereign Nation Status

Threaten Land Liens, Contested Real Estate Over Five State Area in U.S. West

Lakota Satisfies Treaty Council Mandate of 33 Years, Drafted by 97 Indigenous Nations

Dakota Territory Reverts back to Lakota Control According to U.S., International Law

Washington D.C. – Lakota Sioux Indian representatives declared sovereign nation status today in Washington D.C. following Monday’s withdrawal from all previously signed treaties with the United States Government. The withdrawal, hand delivered to Daniel Turner, Deputy Director of Public Liaison at the State Department, immediately and irrevocably ends all agreements between the Lakota Sioux Nation of Indians and the United States Government outlined in the 1851 and 1868 Treaties at Fort Laramie Wyoming.

“This is an historic day for our Lakota people,” declared Russell Means, Itacan of Lakota. “United States colonial rule is at its end!”


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Dalai Lama, stop your lies, give religious freedom
The purpose of this website is to expose the hypocrisy of the Dalai Lama who presents himself as a champion of human rights and defender of religious freedom while inflicting terrible human rights abuses on his own people and interfering with the religious freedom of thousands and thousands of people around the world.

The site is presented by the Western Shugden Society (WSS), an ad hoc coalition of Dorje Shugden practitioners from many different countries. The immediate aims of the WSS are expressed in a recent letter we sent to the Dalai Lama.

Because the Dalai Lama refuses even to acknowledge our correspondence, let alone enter into meaningful dialog, we are left with no alternative but to organize protest demonstrations wherever the Dalai Lama teaches. We will continue to organize demonstrations to coincide with the Dalai Lama’s schedule until he agrees to our requests.

We hope that through our actions, international scrutiny will be brought to bear on the Dalai Lama’s lies and actions of religious persecution so that the Tibetans he is oppressing will receive justice and Dorje Shugden practitioners around the world will receive religious freedom.


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Originally posted by spines
Didn't the Dali Lama come out and say that the next Lama should be elected into position? Or was i mistaken in my hearing of that story?

• Tibet's old form of government was a backward oppressive theocracy where the common man endured many hardships because of poor farming, no health care, no education, and slave-status.
  
• Tibet's new form of government is a progressive oppressive government where the common man is better educated, has access to technology and health care, and is a citizen with some rights but the priests suffer hardships and suffering because of their constant attempts to regain controlling status of the land and its people.
  

Originally posted by Voxel
You only ever see monks crossing the mountains being shot down by soldiers. Well, what about the other 90% of the population? Tell us western media: What do they think about their lives now versus before?