reply to post by Cyberbian
But where is the reference to the law. You have lifted these references from other sites, but where is your research to show the truth of what you
have cited? I fully agree that his citizenship is questionable. I have stated my argument elsewhere. I made my positon with facts. The actual law,
not someone's summary of it, is the one key fact which either supports or topples your argument.
Let's do the Constitutional Law 101 again. Article IV, Section 2. "This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in
pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the
; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary
" [Bold my own for emphasis]
For obvious reasons this is referred to as the SUPREMACY CLAUSE. So who cares what Hawaii laws say on Federal issues?
Argument. Let's do the CITIZENSHIP thing. Amendment XIV Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the
jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without
due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Now we know the US Con is the TOP law of the United States. We also know that to be a citizen you must be born in the United States of America. OR
naturalized as I say John McCain is. John McCain is a naturalized citizen by Act of Congress. Barack Obama is a natural born citizen by the US
Constitution. It matters not a whit who Barack's parents were, if he was BORN in the US of A as in fact he was.
Now let's see who can be president. Article II Section 1 Clause 4. No person except a natural born citizen
, or a citizen of the United States,
at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office
who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
So WHAT is so hard about this? Why do we insist on confusing citizenship with the NATURAL born requirement? Who says Republicans are not STUBBORN?
Canal Zone. It was President Carter who in 1979 signed the Treaty approved by the US Senate returning the Canal Zone to Panama's jurisdiction. The
Treaty provided for a 20 year transitional period before the final hand-back to Panama in 1999. Clinton had nothing to do with the return of the Canal
Zone to Panama. He was just there when it happened.
Geography 101. The Canal Zone was never part of the United States. A ten mile wide strip of land running from the Atlantic to the Pacific which
contained the Panama Canal. It was always part of Panama. President Theodore Roosevelt instigated the breaking away from Columbia of the people who
lived on the isthmus. We took over jurisdiction and control of the Zone. We did that because we wanted to build a canal which the Frenchman who had
built the Suez Canal tried to do but failed due to the mosquitos. We drained the swamps, killed the mosquitos, and built the canal. But the Zone was
always PART OF PANAMA. It was never part of the United States.
Congress does have power to confer citizenship on who it pleases, but it does not have power to ALTER thE Constitution except by the amending process
which it has done 27 times. See Article 1, Section 8. The Congress shall have power to . . [Clause 4] To establish a uniform rule of naturalization .
So is all this just academic as they say as they try to dismiss an unwelcome outcome? But does it matter? Really matter? Apparently not. The American
people are so jaded to the back and forth mudslinging of our electoral politics that anyone can do anything he or she can get away with. With a GOP
stacked Supreme Court, the Dems might as well stay home as to raise this issue. So if McCain should win, he will be added to the Trivia Card deck as
the only ineligible person to be elected president. A singular honor!
[edit on 6/19/2008 by donwhite]