 Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by 2nd2no1ratbags
Yep, this thread struck me as ' could Batman beat Spiderman?' when I first read it, and the end piece 'anyone who disagrees is wrong' clinched
that perception. 
Exactly.
Bottom line for me concerning this thread? An all out war with Russia will decimate us. Yes, that's right. WE WILL BE DESTROYED. I don't know why
it's so hard for people to understand that unless we have some incredible technolgy that no one knows about to keep Russia's nuclear assets off our
soil then the end result is apparent.
Here it is very simply:
Russia has enough nukes (I don't care what anyone says and I don't care about Russia's current or past economic condition) to turn America into a
glass pit several times over. You can't escape this fact.
Yes, I know there is technology out there with the ability so shoot down missiles but to assume that NOTHING is going to hit us? That is just arrogant
folly. The pool of assumption is very shallow, rest assured.
Unless God himself intervenes on our behalf we are NOT.. I repeat. NOT going to win an 'all out war' with Russia.
Put that in your hat and smoke it.
[edit on 29-7-2008 by ViewFromTheStars]
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Man if they go to a full out nuclear war. Norway will get some free nuces from both sides  When they get shoot down over us. Hope to god that they
dont blow up on impact .)
A tip to the US and Russians could you put a parra. On them so they dont get damaged on impact haha.
[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]
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People here at ATS need to do their homework on MAD.. or "Mutually Assured Destruction". Google it and fill up your brains.
The past economic conditions of Russia may have affected their conventional war potential but nuclear? Don't be a fool.
Russia will not tolerate a conventional war with us for very long before letting us have "it".
Like I said and like I've ALWAYS said here on ATS. Unless we have a 100% guaranteed anti missile defense shield we are going to be in for some
-serious- trouble. No amount of chest beating and arrogant bleating is going to save anybody.
Something else you hubris infested 'indestructable Americano' bone heads aren't thinking about...
You can rest assured that Russia is busily adapting their own missile technology to counter our counter offensives. (And have been doing so already
for sometime)
It's really simple to me, I don't understand why this is even debatable.
One more thing..
Don't loose sight of the powers that be that are 'fomenting' world war III. Yes, you heard me correctly. This ideology exist and has power in
high places. Unfortunately, MAD will have no effect against this very real threat.
[edit on 29-7-2008 by ViewFromTheStars]
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reply to post by alienstar
Just a little note, the weapons systems, lasers etc etc are 50s tecnology. We were hitting targets on the ground with particle cannons via deflection
satellites 50 yeatrs ago. Russia is smart she does not underestimate US.
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Well, I didn't read the whole thread because there was a lot of nonsense starting to come through, but I just wanted to point out that the links
posted early on about "China's Navy" were actually for the Republic of China, better known as Taiwan. Different country (not according to mainland
China  ), totally different navy.
Apologies if someone has already pointed it out.
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Watching the memorial on sept 11th on TV showed me that two tiny little aircraft in a major city can cause huge chaos and carnage.
Should two super power nations go head to head, and one is in danger of a loss, and the prospect of even 1 nuclear warhead is delivered to a major
metropolis; win, lose, or draw, we all lose.
Should that war ever start, may God help us all.
Peace
[edit on 13-9-2008 by HIFIGUY]
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Just some facts out there for you young-uns, we have 14 SSBN Ohio class
ballistic missile submarines each carying 24 Trident D5 missiles with up
to eight W76 warheads (100 kilotons each) or eight W88 (475 kilotons each)
or put another way up to 3.8 Megatons of Mega-Death, City-Busting
bombs on EACH missile.
So 14 Subs x 24 missiles x 8 warheads each = 2,688 bombs = 1,276,800 kt
= 1,276 Megatons or 1.28 Gigatons or more than enough to wipe out all
of humanity many times over and that's NOT adding the Russian Delta 4 subs
which contain another thousand or so megatons.
The main deterent for the USA are the B2 Nuclear bombers
with nuclear tipped Tomohawks, and Peacekeeper ICBM land based
systems and SSBN Ohio Subs while the Russians depend on their
strongest Nuclear deterent the Satans, Topols and Topol-M missiles
for blasting cities on a Launch-on-Warning basis.
As of 2008 it is STILL a dangerous game of Nuclear Chicken
(i.e. MAD - Mutually Assured Destruction) and we are basically
on a hair-trigger's notice to Nuclear Armageddon.
Regarding Missile defence, the USA has a significant lead regarding
kinetic energy based defence systems while China is LIGHT YEARS
ahead in Laser-based research as they are estimated to be spending
three times what the US is on that type of missile defence system.
But on a more basic note, theres still at least 16,000 nukes still
out there ready to be launched at world-wide targets via various means
from Land & Mobile Missiles, to Bombers to Subs, to cruise missiles
and other means including artillery-based and even
"Personal Delivery" options!
There really is no winner because with France, England, China, USA, Russia,
Israel, Pakistan and North Korea all having nukes, there's plenty of nuclear
destruction to go around to make life on Earth quite unlivable.
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