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U.S.A Versus Russia in an all out War?

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posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 12:17 AM
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posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 12:18 AM
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Russia technology surpasses the states?They cant even hold up early warning radar that rusting as we are typing this.Yeah their nuclear silos are so advanced they are just nothing more then a bunker with a door leading to a cellar.What a joke.



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 12:22 AM
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i very much disagree,, russia has 5 times the men in iraq,,, plus being
an american, u sound very cocky,,, the terrain would be very tough to work on,, ohhh, not to mention russia also spends 5 times the money then iraq as well,,, and i dont call 5000 dead americans a victory,, non the less a slaughter,,,,,, get ur facts right ..... and stop being narrow minded,,,



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 12:22 AM
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posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 12:33 AM
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posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 12:43 AM
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That was just first tested in 1995 and so far they only have 48 by the end of 2006,according to the Strategic Missile Forces Command.Thats not a awful lot.We know exactly what Russia is capable of its a bluff.They are always stating they have this better,this faster,this more blah.Always turns out false.



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 01:07 AM
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Ok foremost i am no expert at who got what but what i know that if america and russia get into a war that china would probably join russia. Iran would 2. Europe will join america and so we would have an World war III.






So Damn The Torpedoes Or Give Me Death


Oh yeah if u see any error in my english then you now know I am Dutch.



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 01:39 AM
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The majority of the OP's posting seems to be in the mindset that Russia would be on the offensive.. Which is so unlikely that if you consider how unlikely a war with Russia already is that you could easily use a much maligned word that starts with an "I" and ends with "Mpossible" to describe the odds.

Realistically, any war fought involving Russia would be a defensive one. Why, when defensive warfare has turned into a terrible idea in the 20th century? When it means cities being literally flattened, civilian populations being starved, economic crashes?

Two reasons, actually. First and foremost is that the Russians have never, since the days of the Czar, been conquered. Which is pretty amazing. Given the quality of enemy that the Russian people have stared down ( The Sweeds, The Nazi's, Kaiser Wilhelm, The Chinese.. ), and the relative inadequacy of their military during the first half of the 20th century, the Russian People have proven to be resilient..

Which brings us to point 2. The United States does not have the balls to hit the Russians hard enough to keep them down. Anyone who believes that a war in which the United States would employ a level of barbarity surpassing that of the Nazi's would be one that the American people supported needs to rethink their views of the country. Russia has had the snot beaten out of it more then most any other country ( Except maybe Poland. ), and has yet to concede.

The Russians didn't win World War 2 because they were well equipped, well led, well trained or well fed. They won because they were unshakable, unbreakable, vicious, and because every man fought like two when it came to defending his homeland. What it would take to break the Russian people as a whole is outside the bounds of the United States Military to enact. The individual soldiers, with current training, wouldn't be able to do it. As a society, the generation that would be fighting has been raised with a certain degree of moral decency that would be almost impossible to rid them of. The only real way to do it would be to dehumanize the Russian people.. Which a certain National Socialist Germany Workers Party already did.. And following in their footsteps would be a bad idea.



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 01:42 AM
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Originally posted by Arc Angel

Another thing I'd like to voice my opinion on is the logistics of attacking Russia via the ground. If you look on wikipedia, you can see we have bases located all around the world. I don't think in this day and age of technology would it be difficult to transport goods and materials such a long way. Sure, cold weather hampers operations, but the US would be able to protect it's sea lanes with our large Navy.


I don't think in this day and age of technology would it be difficult to wipe out all these bases which are you talking about... You might be thinking that war with Russia will be something like Iraq?



One last thing I'd like to add, I am very patriotic about my country, however I do respect my enemies. The Russians are much more resourceful then us, however I think American's are superior fighters to them. People talk about the mess in Iraq...well, that's what a Counter-Insurgent war is like. Iraq is actually pretty safe for an American. Why?
More than 4,000 people die in America each year from car accidents. We've lost 4,000 people over there in 5 years. Don't doubt our #ing military. "How can you make a war zone safer then your homeland?"


Do you have a point? In war with Russia you will have 4k each day...



And speaking of the Russian military, hows that second Chechen war going? They got an insurgent warfare on their hands, and they've fought 2 wars over that place.


Speaking of US military, how’s that Iraq war going?



And to the dude who's 54 years old living with 25 year old Russian boys...that's just #ing creepy. Either you're making it up or you have some problems. To the Americans who doubt our military, go up to a Marine and call him a pussy.

To the Americans who doubt Russian military, go up to a Speznas soldier and call him a pussy.

"I am very patriotic about my country, however I do respect my enemies."

ha ha Right... so muh respect you got there... should keep that mouth closed then...

War with Russia is nothing like war with Iraq... it will be WW3 and an end to 90% of population... and the rest 10% will live in peace for 1000
years... he he



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by Arc Angel
5.) "What about if they nuke us?" We shot down, with a single destroyer, a sattelite from outer #ing space! Trust me, no missiles are getting through our defense systems. We have missiles designed to go after other missiles and blow them up, and all the laser weaponary we secretly have too. They'd basically ask for a death wish because we'd shoot down their missiles and then we'd just blow the # out of them.



I love America just like any good American. However, I can't forget that for being the most protected country in the world 19 alleged hijackers hit 75% of their intended targets. Not only that, the most protected building in the world (The Pentagon) was hit by a plane going at over 700 MPH, almost flying at 4 ft from the ground and we couldn't do anything to stop it. Well, that's the story we are lead to believe. Even our fine technology hasn't helped us to get ahead in Iraq. A. We are too stupid to fight Russia or B. We are too stupid to be believing the above fantasy/cover up.

All-out-war USA vs. Russia is just M.A.D. Remember that? Mutually Assured Destruction? As long as we have nuclear warheads pointing at each other it's not going to happen.

[edit on 19-6-2008 by manticore]

[edit on 19-6-2008 by manticore]



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 01:59 AM
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In war there are no winners, so why fight? Look at the facts. We all lose...



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 02:43 AM
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No matter the fire-power and man-power, there are too many variables to foresee a winner.

Who will be the aggressors? What allies will each country have? There's a lot of grey area that needs to be covered.

If your point is to say that the US has more firepower than the Russians then I might have to agree. To say that they would win an all out war is impossible to answer.



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 05:21 AM
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This thread is so 1980. The subject isn't even worth debating anymore. Russia is but a shadow of what was during the cold war. The only country that could give America a good fight would be China.



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 05:36 AM
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China would win.
Kind of like 2 kids brawling in a schoolyard and the Teacher comes along.

Why?
Money and numbers - China has both.

They can bankrupt America if they want.
They have more global trade than America
China is supporting Russia with many purchase of Oil/Resources/Tech.
Many Chinese living in US & Russia & it's not the other way around.

So US or Russia may start something, China will finish it.



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 06:52 AM
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posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 09:15 AM
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There would never be an all out war between Russia and USA. There would most likely be "proxy wars", where we get smaller countries to do our fighting.

When we fought in Vietnam, we were really battling USSR there.

It's more about money these days.

[edit on 19-6-2008 by Electro38]



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 10:12 AM
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To post an opinion on this thread is pointless.

if the U.S.A and Russia go for full out war ..well..... let me just quote einstien

Albert Einstien-

"I don't know what will be used in the next world war, but the 4th will be fought with stones."



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 10:49 AM
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How do u know so much about Russia? Even the russians who live there,don't know everything,but u do? Haha....

"You people have no idea how powerful the USA really is"

I think you people have no idea how powerful Russia IS!


And btw,Russia do have an alien technology.
So "mr. No one can # with us" I think it won't be very smart to mess with Russia
Stupid american bully...



P.S. "War is not the answer
for only love can conquer hate..."



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 10:51 AM
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No one mentioned the media. Don't forget the the media and it's propaganda is a huge factor when fighting a war. If media was what it is today, the allies would of surely lost WWII. if the U.S attacked, the American people themselves would undermine their own efforts. Then factor in the media.

All my other points have already been mentioned so I wont say anything else.

Even though its hypothetical, the world wont go out with a bang, but with a whimper.

[edit on 19-6-2008 by Axeom]



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 10:55 AM
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Threads like this are completely pointless. In a war no one can guarantee the outcome, simply because no one knows what technology your enemy might have or has developed that is superior to your own.

One need only use one's own imagination to perceive the type of weaponry that your enemy might have.

America might have a stronger & wealthier economy & more military planes and ships but then I could so easily dispose of both with one press of a button, by activating my tesla death ray which can single handily knock all your planes and missiles out of the sky and at the same time sink all your ships to the bottom of the ocean. All of which I did without even breaking into a sweat. So come and have a go if you think your hard enough!!!!
That's if you can find me!!!!!



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