btw en.wikipedia.org... is written by just normal people.

Originally posted by slackerwire

Originally posted by Arc Angel

So you got 250,000 Marines pushing West; 250,000 pushing East;

Anyone who disagrees is wrong?

Forgive me for pointing out the obvious, but your little theory here about 500,000 Marines hitting Russia from 2 sides would be a little difficult......

Do you know of an extra 270,000 combat ready Marines sitting around somewhere that no one else knows about? If not, YOU ARE WRONG.

It really helps if you do some research before making a post and ending it with "if you disagree, you are wrong".

[edit on 18-6-2008 by slackerwire]

I have to commend you on this one. I was about to point it out myself. Being USMC/DAV I watch these things. Having a son about to go to Iraq is enlightening as well.

This scenario has too many errors IMHO.

Reading this thread was fun while it lasted.

Originally posted by Arc Angel
Yes, because we have to go through China to get to Russia, right? (Take a look at where Alaska is)

I never said you had to go through China, I said China would never let you get to Russia.

Russians were fighting WW2 alot longer then we were. And during that time Europe, North Africa, and parts of China (And even Vietnam) were over-run.

US steps in, and we fight a two front war pushing back the Germans and Japanese at the time until their surrender. Most of the Germans were killed by Russians, however Russia was barely holding its own. (Stalingrad was a blood bath, and thank god Hitler chose to commence with Operation Barbosa despite delays. Allowing old man winter to set in)

Russia was barely holding their own? Hitler threw his best men at Russia, not to mention huge numbers. When the Allies came into Western Europe it was guarded by second rate soldiers.

I don't recall Russia pushing back the Germans until we stepped in. And do we forget so soon who was giving weapons to the 'Allies'?

Would that be the same group of people that was supplying weapons to the Germans at the same time? They never needed to push back the Germans, they had a non aggression pact until 1941. Seriously, read some histroy before you try this.

Wow, this is the first real reply to my thread.

I don't think Russia would be able to put up the facilities in time to have an effective production. Granted, Russians have always been geniuses at low cost and good quality materials, but the US can afford to spend so much more w/o the impact on the Economy. The reason the carrier groups are significant is because we can land troops very quickly on their home turf. We can also lauch missiles from there, as well as planes, supporting our guys on the ground. And as I said before, the US equipment would make up for the #'s. It's just too damn strong.

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Originally posted by Rook1545

Originally posted by Arc Angel
Yes, because we have to go through China to get to Russia, right? (Take a look at where Alaska is)

I never said you had to go through China, I said China would never let you get to Russia.

Russians were fighting WW2 alot longer then we were. And during that time Europe, North Africa, and parts of China (And even Vietnam) were over-run.

US steps in, and we fight a two front war pushing back the Germans and Japanese at the time until their surrender. Most of the Germans were killed by Russians, however Russia was barely holding its own. (Stalingrad was a blood bath, and thank god Hitler chose to commence with Operation Barbosa despite delays. Allowing old man winter to set in)

Russia was barely holding their own? Hitler threw his best men at Russia, not to mention huge numbers. When the Allies came into Western Europe it was guarded by second rate soldiers.

I don't recall Russia pushing back the Germans until we stepped in. And do we forget so soon who was giving weapons to the 'Allies'?

Would that be the same group of people that was supplying weapons to the Germans at the same time? They never needed to push back the Germans, they had a non aggression pact until 1941. Seriously, read some histroy before you try this.

Wait...what? US supplied the Allies with weapons, which after the attack on Russia included the Russians. The Germans pushed all the way to Stalingrad before being bogged down. (1943 Battle was pronounced over) US landed troops in N. Africa during that time period as well as the battle of guadacanal happening. We took pressure off of Russia at this time. I don't understand how you don't see that? It was directly because of us we won WW2.

Originally posted by Arc Angel
Wait...what? US supplied the Allies with weapons, which after the attack on Russia included the Russians. The Germans pushed all the way to Stalingrad before being bogged down. (1943 Battle was pronounced over) US landed troops in N. Africa during that time period as well as the battle of guadacanal happening. We took pressure off of Russia at this time. I don't understand how you don't see that? It was directly because of us we won WW2.

The US supplied Germany with weapons and parts up until 1941. Which would be why alot of American companies have been accused of war profiteering during that time.

Guadalcanal was not US and Germany, it was US and Japan, that did not relieve any pressure off of Russia from the Germans. It was because of US assistance that WW2 was won in 1945, without the US it would have been won by 1947 by the Russians completely. The Russians were in Berlin a full month before the US. They would have kept going if need be.

its funny to read how self confident americans are. germans were sure they will win WWII, history showed otherwise. you americans should learn from that instead of acting gods of the world

Actually, when USA starts a war against China, Russia will strike along with some other countries - with no warning. The Russians know where America keeps their nuclears and will launch missiles at them, having fatal consequences. There is 3 main places where the Russians will invade when USA is in war against China. Alaska, Minnesota, and Florida. Korea and Cuba will join against the US as well.

They are tired of having the Americans lead the world, and want to lead it themselves. When Americans are kicked out of Europe, they can do anything they want for it. The Americans in Taiwan will be kicked out first, attacked from behind. They have their plans ready, and USA is not going to win that easily, no matter how powerful they are. Russia will not strike alone. They are not that stupid. And now when the economy is weak.. It will be their chance, soon, in very few years.

just out of curiosity, does anyone think that while yes america has a pretty good chance at winning, that there really isnt much to compare it too, as a war i mean. sense america hasnt really been in a war with a real threat since WWII, maybe korea, that maybe fighting an army that has spent the past 50 years training to fight the U.S. might be somthing in their favor.
take iraq for example, they fire chinese and russian weapons that shoot 7.62 mm rounds vs the americns 556, now iraqi insurgents realy coudnt hit the braod side of a barn are not very well trained and suffer from lack of discipline. russian soldiers on the other hand are actually fairly disciplined fighters, are well trained in the use of thier firarms and can hit you in the sappi plate on your interceptor body armor from a good distance out. that alone the mere fact that you are fighting a force of actual soldiers in my mind gives you a chance. im not saying they would win but 7.62 is a force to be reckoned with in the hands of a skilled shooter. an american body armor while it can take a hit from one or two cant take repeated hits. if throwing bodies at your enemy is thier game then i would hate to go toe to toe with them.
thats a conventional stance however. as of right now where would they even get the money to fight america?
last time i saw russian soldiers they were so poor that thier soldiers were wearing old tennis shoes and collecting ammo belt links after every live fire exercise.