The Treaty of Paris 1783. THAT is when we were sold out to the crown, the banks have been into our hides for far longer than the civil war. No wonder the British are always there in our war efforts, to protect their interests.

Wow... nice work to the OP. Thanks for the effort!

I was wondering as to what the solutions could be out of this mess. If we are in a state of Martial Law, doesn't that suspend the Constitution further? If they had the roots buried deep in the past, what can we do today to change the course they paved for themselves?

I am trying to digest all of this information. Thanks again!

does anyone ever think that the government made our laws and the explanations for them so difficult that we kind of just went along with it because it was to long and hard to understand, and now finally we have the abilities and resources available to understand exactly what they are trying to implement people are starting to see how corrupt everything is? just a thought...

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wonderful post! i'm just a newb, but this is hands down my favorite so far amazing attention to detail here, incredible work. i'm going to pass this along to everybody and anybody with half a brain that i come across. the truth in all things!

Originally posted by daddyroo45
Jack reading your post makes my blood boil,and causes me a deep sadness.Being born in the south,we were taught in school about the "reconstruction" over 800,000 acres of land were confiscated by the union in the state of Tennessee alone.Men who had served in the confederate army were never allowed to vote again in any election.At one point the state legislature was held at gun point in Nashville,so they could be assured of the "proper"vote.
Sounds like martial law to me.

What really gets my goat,are the people who when they hear these things accuse us of sour grape syndrome. We have never had the chance to live in a truly free country have we?

My friend, I was raised to critique people that toted the Confederate flags around and who were of the 'South'. You were the 'bad' guys in our civil war. You were the ones that started everything.

One thing I have learned on my own and have found to be reinforced MANY times over during this very administration: "History is truly written by the victors."

I had read some of this but never all of it together in the way that Jack put it. Man, it can begin to make a bit of sense when it is presented in this manner. It kind of fits in with the actions of many administrations over the past century now. There is NO CONSTITUTION! It is a damn piece of paper after all it seems. Man, maybe boy George does know something that I don't.

Excellent post Jack. Spoken like a true Libertarian and supporter of the States Rights!

The biggest problem we have in this country is education. Or, rather, the lack there of. We can go through history, see past the crap they spoon feed us and see the REAL reasons behind wars, governments and so forth.

In school the American Civil War was about slavery.. even issues revolving around states rights where all about slavery. Then on top of that every book you read, every article you went over involved slavery, the South and how wrong it was. This conditions the student to be ashamed of his past, to be afraid to side with the South, to ask awkward questions, to accept and forget because its a "sensitive subject".

When in reality it was an illegal war of aggression .. and we are taught, no, we are conditioned to SUPPORT unconditionally the aggressors.

The North didn't just defeat the South, once down, they defecated on their society, burned their towns, arrested politicians and put in place leads THEY approved of. As we all know, our tactics have changed little even to this day. The objective was to put states rights supporters into submission so that no one would support them. The victors write history, and the good guys sometimes become the bad guys.

But we will only ever work to fix the current situation as soon as people UNDERSTAND what the situation is. Those who know something is wrong blame mythical entities like "nwo" and "Illuminati" and the infamous "Freemasons". In reality we need to blame the politicians WE ELECT. The programs WE SUPPORT. The culture WE PERPETUATE. The banks WE USE. The debt WE LIVE BY. We need to BLAME OUR SELVES.

Jack, I read through your thread a few times. I agree that it seems that right from the beginning the idea of a free country irked a few persons connected to the British Crown. (namely those who had invested in favour of the Britsih Empire while residing in the 13 colonies)

I had a thread a few months ago and I came to believe the same ideas that you bring forward.

With this in mind after the War of Independence it was shown that many who sided with the British and the German interests still resided in the United States. Blood runs deeper then water. I propose that a long term undermining of the United States of America began moments after the documents were sighed in Paris. Both German interests as well as British interests have propelled us to where we are now. Namely an Empire; struggling to hold onto world power while we crumbled from within as Rome had two thousand years ago.

Outside View of the Republic

I researched the War of Independence in light of the British point of view and I believe when all was said and done they began an counter insurgence "war" before the ink dried.


I starred and flagged your thread.

Thank You
WR

Wow...

Looks like someone forgot their medication.

One more thing I wanted to add. When you look into history there is definitive evidence of multiple attempts to conquer and/or conspire to rule the world. From ancient Egypt to ancient Greece to the Romans to the 19th century British Empire and of course to the latest nazi Germany.

Today I think we have two things on our side that keeps these megalomaniacs hindered.
1) we have history of each and everyone of these failed attempts (although I think Britain came closest to achieving there goals (through clandestine achievements) than all of the rest and actually still has to this day, imperialists, that work behind the scenes unofficially or not) to refer to and 2) the world is simply to diversified. There are simply to many "great powers" in the world today that would not concede power. There will never be an official world government.

They may take away border lines on maps (I know that sucks, and I disagree with it also) but what does that mean? Globalization? That has already happened. It is a world economy. The NWO is already here. We are it. It will not get any worse than it already is. And if you live in America it really is not that bad. (Except gas prices really suck!...which may be a result of some alterior motive, but it is up to us to adapt and find alternative transportation. It is possible, that is for sure)

Unless a mass extinction occurs and they are allowed to start all over, power will remain diversified. It is simple really. 1 person can not rule 6.5 billion... ever.

Point being here that even though Jack has some excellent points and all seem to add up right nicely, I believe they (those conspiring behind the scenes) have failed over all. What Jack layed out is our past (which in my opinion is vital to our understanding of current politics and world in general). Even with Martial Law in place for over 100 years, supposedly, we are trudging along rather nicely. Look at where we are today. It certainly may not be perfect. And we certainly may have a long road of improvement ahead of us, and even through all the corruption and greed; our freedoms (for the most part) remain in tact. The NWO (the kind that Alex Jones talks about) has and will forever fail. The human race will never be controlled.

When you eat fear, don't chew on it. Swallow it, digest it and let it pass.

I wish to thank everyone once again, who has stopped by for a read, and those who have posted as well. Unfortunately, I don't have enough time at the moment to engage everyone in discussion directly, though I have found the responses here to be interesting indeed.

Thanks again.

Jack

The "Articles of Confederation" were meant to be a "perpetual" union binding the states together for eternity. It wasn't working out so it was scrapped by our founding fathers for the Constitution further reenfocring the fact the states were intended to maintain their sovreignty. Any reference to a "perpetual" union was intentionally left out of the Constitution.

amen preach on brother. don't you just love the way our for fathers us to speak. they could give you the bird and you would think they were complimenting you.

Please don't forget to flag. I think this is probably the most important thread I have ever started. More flags means more people are more likely to take the opportunity to read and bring more information to the table.

Thanks again again.