Originally posted by gibbs1189
reply to post by Badge01
No they are not.
Sports based fighting has you going against what? One man who is trained to fight just like you are, and has the same offense and defense. A street
fight is not like that at all.
An MMA fight, though with gloves, is almost identical to a Vale Tudo
match, which IS no holds
barred, originating in Brazil. Though some aspects are different, it is very easy to transition back and forth.
Krav Maga lacks a suitable delivery system in the majority of its training methods and I have never seen a KM student all-out sparring using K-M
techniques only. Typically when such practitioners do so they resemble bad kick-boxing.
K-M is the equivalent to doing drills, ad infinitum
. Though they do try to simulate a fight with multiple opponents, I maintain your best
defense in such a situation is to run. That will cause your opponents to string out and you can pick them off one-by-one, or elude them completely.
Though a good MMA fighter can sometimes handle more than one opponent it's the exception, not the rule.
To reiterate, your martial practice has GOT to be performance-based. Otherwise you're deluding yourself with the endless drills. This was PROVEN by
the Dog Brothers, when lots of high level FMA stick fighters went to the Gathering and were rather easily defeated.
In addition sports-based martial arts will always have the highest level of opponent, causing an evolution of the sport. If you watched the UFC over
the years you will see how everyone's game evolved, going from grappler-domination to striker domination to wrestling domination and now back to a
true style of mixed martial art.
Unlike your assertion, the existence of the UFC proves mine, while there are NO K-M fighters able to make the cut into the UFC. They simply lack the
skill, experience, delivery system, aliveness and durability in their American incarnation to be effective enough. I've witnessed a few K-M seminars
and there is a lot of standing around and lots of talking.
Contrast this to a BJJ or wrestling class. There's a lot of sweating and very little talking.
It gets on my nerves when people assume they know what is right and what is wrong, even if they have no experience in the subject. Im not saying you
dont have experience in fighting, but when learning a martial art, you are ALWAYS forced to spar someone. You dont just learn the techniques, and then
not do anything with them, especially Krav Maga.
When I've seen K-M guys spar they resemble bad kickboxing. When they spar with weapons and wear gear they still do not go freestyle, they do drills.
Certainly they are sincere and they work hard, but in many respects they are not training someone to actually fight. Under the pressure of fighting
you forget those drills. Your skills must be functionalized or you will not be able to reliably employ them.
Drilling is nice, but they can get caught up in what we call 'dead drills' which are drills without footwork, energy and motion.
Krav Maga training is intense, and you do face multiple opponents in a sparring match in order to pass your classes. You are taught how to defend
yourself in multiple situations. and then you have to apply what you have learned.
Though I have respect for the original Krav Maga training
, which is more like an amalgamation of
combat pistol craft, jiu-jitsu and muay thai, it is not offered in that form in the US that I'm aware. If you know different please post a link or a
URL and I'll be glad to look it over.
As I said in one post, I've been studying martial arts since 1968 and I've seen quite a bit. I'm not saying other arts are cr*p, far from it.
There's quite a bit of useful information imparted.. But as it is currently taught in the US, the core is omitted.
My thesis is that way that a martial arts is practiced is the essential element, and this must include a method of delivering their techniques
(delivery system), the practice must be performance based and it must employ a resisting opponent, using timing and footwork (motion). Otherwise the
outcome is far from optimal and usually gives the proponent a false sense of self-confidence.
You can drill Chess openings for 10 years but unless your game evolves by playing people who are better than you in actual games you will not be able
to play at a competitive level.
Read over the links I gave to Matt Thornton's vid and comments. If you still object, then we'll have to agree to disagree.
As a final example, let me put it this way, I can teach an MMA fighter to do a self-defense art based on drills in a very short time. They already
have the attributes of strength, speed, durability and footwork under stress. But it takes many years to teach a traditionally trained martial artist
who does a majority of their training doing drills, to do good Mixed Martial Arts fighting.
As yourself why that is.
I agree that many traditional arts teach useful skills and in Krav Maga, one of them is the use of firearms in a manner similar to
Combat Pistol Craft
, but in my experience, the version offered in American
based schools is a pale imitation of the original art developed by Imi Lichtenfeld.
[edit on 21-6-2008 by Badge01]