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Originally posted by defcon5
...You let him do this in his own area, and it will be very difficult to detect if he is having someone release a balloon, RC aircraft, flying lantern, or other man-made aerial anomaly.
Originally posted by sir_chancealot
Originally posted by defcon5
...You let him do this in his own area, and it will be very difficult to detect if he is having someone release a balloon, RC aircraft, flying lantern, or other man-made aerial anomaly.
Wait, you mean the debunkers and skeptics won't be able to tell a genuine UFO from a " balloon, RC aircraft, flying lantern, or other man-made aerial anomaly"?
And how are you going to move the goal posts should he call down a UFO? I submit that even if he called down a UFO, and it anal probed all the skeptics, they would still say he couldn't do it. No amount of "proof" is going to be sufficient for them.
(BTW, that's NOT to say that I think the guy is real. I just think he deserves a fair shake to prove if he can do what he claims to do.)
Originally posted by defcon5
I hardly see a Hollywood budget being mentioned here. If anything that I listed would be expensive, it would be travel and accommodations. Flight tracking software only requires a laptop and a connection to the internet. A portable weather station can be had for several hundred dollars. Most people already own a cell phone. Its free to contract ATC, and set something up with them, if you can get them to agree to do it. Launching balloons themselves requires renting a tank of helium and buying a few balloons. Heck you can hire a local aerial photographer to be in the area ready to attempt to intercept, and take photos from an aircraft for a few hundred dollars.
As to why we should demand this level of proof in this instance, its because we can. He claims to be able to call them at will, so we have the opportunity to collect this level of documentation. Under those conditions, why should we require less?
Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Of course not. Like I said I'm not an expert. But I have seen extraordinary work here done by members investigating videos. Work that must have taken hours, analyzing individual frames and pixels on blurry videos. And they are given the benefit of the doubt until debunked.
Originally posted by schrodingers dog
I thought maybe I was missing something with this guy because a lot of posts in this thread seem to indicate that they wouldn't give him a chance to prove himself under any conditions, controlled or otherwise.
Originally posted by defcon5
This guy was debunked years ago which is why the Admin aren’t giving him the time of day. It was not only debunked on hit site either, but also on sites such as GLP, and Surfing the Apocalypse. To be honest the guy did a grand job of debunking himself.
Originally posted by defcon5
I have been trying to post directly to your forum, but something seems to be wrong with it, in that, it does not allow my post.
yeah he was banned in the past when he was in the old original thread…
Originally posted by defcon5
This guy was debunked years ago which is why the Admin aren’t giving him the time of day.
Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
No one seems to be able to provide PROOF that Prophet is a hoaxer.
I don't consider it a very strong debunking, if no one can provide PROOF that he hoaxes his videos!
Originally posted by schrodingers dog
So what you are saying that any interaction with ATS, whether he succeeds or not is going to give him legitimacy. So basically he is agreeing to do this to get street cred?
Originally posted by Freezer
Lets put an end to all this and put him to the test..He has agreed to take the challenge, so whats the problem? What I don't get is why ATS would issue him a challenge while at the same time he is banned from the site..
Originally posted by Freezer
Lets put an end to all this and put him to the test..He has agreed to take the challenge, so whats the problem? What I don't get is why ATS would issue him a challenge while at the same time he is banned from the site..
Originally posted by defcon5
In the end, he will either win because no one will be able to prove he is hoaxing definitively enough, or the event will never happen, meanwhile he has gotten a bigger audience, spread his name further, had more exposed to his philosophies, and made money off his pay site. Win-Win for him, unless he is tested under such stringent circumstances that he is proven to be a fake. Something tells me that if those type of circumstances occur, that the UFO’s will suddenly fail to appear. After all it would not be the first time that happened, and yet look at the believers defending him here.
Originally posted by rawsom
You cannot record a proof of an hoax with any device whatsoever. It just isn't possible unless you happen to get a full confession or use a speed camera to examine how magicians make their card tricks, for example.
Proof of things like these lie in logic, reason and empirical knowledge. It is rather difficult to make people realize when they have been proven wrong if they do not understand it themselves.
Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Originally posted by rawsom
You cannot record a proof of an hoax with any device whatsoever. It just isn't possible unless you happen to get a full confession or use a speed camera to examine how magicians make their card tricks, for example.
Proof of things like these lie in logic, reason and empirical knowledge. It is rather difficult to make people realize when they have been proven wrong if they do not understand it themselves.
If he has accomplices releasing balloons, those accomplices could be caught in the act. That would be proof of a hoax
Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
I leave it to Springer and the staff to decide what to do next with this.....
Originally posted by sir_chancealot
Wait, you mean the debunkers and skeptics won't be able to tell a genuine UFO from a " balloon, RC aircraft, flying lantern, or other man-made aerial anomaly"?
And how are you going to move the goal posts should he call down a UFO? I submit that even if he called down a UFO, and it anal probed all the skeptics, they would still say he couldn't do it. No amount of "proof" is going to be sufficient for them.
Originally posted by The Lizard King
Wow. This guy makes it sound like Springer wants to burry Yaweh in the desert then have some kind of an easter egg hunt.