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BREAKING: Prophet Yahweh TRIES TO TWIST Challenge to Summon UFOs For ATS and FAILS

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posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 07:46 PM
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It would also be a win/win situation for ATS...

If he fails, then ATS gets the limelight for exposing him.

If he gets a UFO to appear... and ATS breaks the news... the site will skyrocket in popularity and be mentioned on every major news broadcast in the world!




posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 07:47 PM
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interesting you can summon alien beings. while thier are many on earth that have answers we can rely apon. but i to go on the plians and felt you reading and to my name is has s in it. we often over look the obvious and over react to wat we are seeing and hearing. feel science more and yarns less



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5
...You let him do this in his own area, and it will be very difficult to detect if he is having someone release a balloon, RC aircraft, flying lantern, or other man-made aerial anomaly.


Wait, you mean the debunkers and skeptics won't be able to tell a genuine UFO from a " balloon, RC aircraft, flying lantern, or other man-made aerial anomaly"?


And how are you going to move the goal posts should he call down a UFO? I submit that even if he called down a UFO, and it anal probed all the skeptics, they would still say he couldn't do it. No amount of "proof" is going to be sufficient for them.

(BTW, that's NOT to say that I think the guy is real. I just think he deserves a fair shake to prove if he can do what he claims to do.)



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by sir_chancealot

Originally posted by defcon5
...You let him do this in his own area, and it will be very difficult to detect if he is having someone release a balloon, RC aircraft, flying lantern, or other man-made aerial anomaly.


Wait, you mean the debunkers and skeptics won't be able to tell a genuine UFO from a " balloon, RC aircraft, flying lantern, or other man-made aerial anomaly"?


And how are you going to move the goal posts should he call down a UFO? I submit that even if he called down a UFO, and it anal probed all the skeptics, they would still say he couldn't do it. No amount of "proof" is going to be sufficient for them.

(BTW, that's NOT to say that I think the guy is real. I just think he deserves a fair shake to prove if he can do what he claims to do.)


I thought so as well but it seems there's something personal between him and ATS. I haven't been filled in but I search threads later.
But it seems counterintuitive (I'm not saying it's wrong) for so many ATS members to have this reaction. It almost seems that some people would rather never see a UFO than to have one revealed by him.
Don't get me wrong, I think the guy is probably bonkers. But to not pursue this seems spiteful and against the spirit of the forum.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5
I hardly see a Hollywood budget being mentioned here. If anything that I listed would be expensive, it would be travel and accommodations. Flight tracking software only requires a laptop and a connection to the internet. A portable weather station can be had for several hundred dollars. Most people already own a cell phone. Its free to contract ATC, and set something up with them, if you can get them to agree to do it. Launching balloons themselves requires renting a tank of helium and buying a few balloons. Heck you can hire a local aerial photographer to be in the area ready to attempt to intercept, and take photos from an aircraft for a few hundred dollars.

As to why we should demand this level of proof in this instance, its because we can. He claims to be able to call them at will, so we have the opportunity to collect this level of documentation. Under those conditions, why should we require less?



It's been a while since I've communicated with them, but...


My old friends at JP Aerospace regularly launch multi-balloon based "AWAY" mission vehicles from Black Rock NV, about 150 miles NW of Reno. Nearest "town" is Gerlach, NV.

Black Rock is a High Desert playa (dry lake bed) eerily, almost perfectly, flat, for miles in every direction. Any vehicular traffic across the playa raises dust clouds that are long lasting and easily visible, also, for miles.


We used to call it "Security By Desolation".


When I was there last, cellphone recption was non-existent (More security). We had to use ham radios to communicate with our vehicle recovery teams.


So Black Rock Is a remote, secure, controllable location from which to conduct a challenge such as this.


John Powell, the president of JPA, might be willing to share some of the expertise he and his team have garnered over their years of launching, traqcking and recovering weather balloons at Black Rock (yes, they even have all the equipment, software, personal contacts and charts you'd need to do this thing right!).


I'm sure Springer can be very persuasive when he wants to be, and JP probably would have a few good suggestions and maybe even a few interesting tales of his own for ATS'ers.



Oh, and Bruno's Casino and Motel in Gerlach is relatively cheap, not fancy, but cheap: Unless you prefer to sleep on the playa and haul your piss and poo out with you.



Now as to High quality video wquipment....

Isn't the Mythbuster's" production company based in the LA or San Francisco bay area?


So ATS has provided the "Challenge"...
Maybe we can get JPA to assist/provide the Logistics?
And perhaps we get "Mythbusters" to provide the Camera work?



Und Tomorrow, Ze Vorld!



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Of course not. Like I said I'm not an expert. But I have seen extraordinary work here done by members investigating videos. Work that must have taken hours, analyzing individual frames and pixels on blurry videos. And they are given the benefit of the doubt until debunked.

This guy was debunked years ago which is why the Admin aren’t giving him the time of day. It was not only debunked on hit site either, but also on sites such as GLP, and Surfing the Apocalypse. To be honest the guy did a grand job of debunking himself.


Originally posted by schrodingers dog
I thought maybe I was missing something with this guy because a lot of posts in this thread seem to indicate that they wouldn't give him a chance to prove himself under any conditions, controlled or otherwise.

Yeah, from newer posters who missed this bunch of nonsense that stretched across multiple sites including this one, the first time around. To many this is a new conspiracy, and they are starting again from scratch giving the benefit of the doubt to this guy.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5
This guy was debunked years ago which is why the Admin aren’t giving him the time of day. It was not only debunked on hit site either, but also on sites such as GLP, and Surfing the Apocalypse. To be honest the guy did a grand job of debunking himself.


And yet, whenever we ask the question, WHERE is the PROOF that Prophet hoaxes his UFO videos - we get either dead silence, or "well, use 'critical thinking' and 'Occam's Razor'".

No one seems to be able to provide PROOF that Prophet is a hoaxer.

I don't consider it a very strong debunking, if no one can provide PROOF that he hoaxes his videos!



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5

I have been trying to post directly to your forum, but something seems to be wrong with it, in that, it does not allow my post.


yeah he was banned in the past when he was in the old original thread…




Originally posted by defcon5
This guy was debunked years ago which is why the Admin aren’t giving him the time of day.


Pretty easy to rip on a guy when he can't defend himself huh?.. Can you provide direct evidence of him hoaxing the videos? I am still on the fence, as I have not read any substantial evidence of a hoax, all I keep reading is that he was debunked and the good ole balloon bs, without any material to back that statement up. Please provide the evidence which officially debunked his claims... Really I would like to know..

Lets put an end to all this and put him to the test..He has agreed to take the challenge, so whats the problem? What I don't get is why ATS would issue him a challenge while at the same time he is banned from the site..



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
No one seems to be able to provide PROOF that Prophet is a hoaxer.

I don't consider it a very strong debunking, if no one can provide PROOF that he hoaxes his videos!


You cannot record a proof of an hoax with any device whatsoever. It just isn't possible unless you happen to get a full confession or use a speed camera to examine how magicians make their card tricks, for example.

Proof of things like these lie in logic, reason and empirical knowledge. It is rather difficult to make people realize when they have been proven wrong if they do not understand it themselves.

You can, of course, save a conversation for future reference whenever you want to, and then use that as proof if it includes absurdities that make it impossible for whatever claim to be true.

As an example, you could have a video showing a tiny dot moving around in different directions. If that dot happens to be such, that you cannot tell what it is from several different possibilities about its reality, you do not then have any proof in that video.

[edit on 16/6/08 by rawsom]



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
So what you are saying that any interaction with ATS, whether he succeeds or not is going to give him legitimacy. So basically he is agreeing to do this to get street cred?


Sure, he is about reaching an audience, not about doing anything credible. His message is targeted at a specific type of audience with a specific type of message that would be popular with some. He knows that UFO’s tend to be a hot topic, so he uses that as a means to an end of spreading his other messages of hate. He works like many other magicians in the fact that when the conditions are not favorable for his illusions, they don’t manifest. He made his desire to be picked up by mainstream media extremely evident back when he refused to manifest the UFO’s he promised in Los Vegas due to low media turn out. All the while he was making a big hype on the internet, and charging people to view his other videos. The guy probably made a mint at this the first time around, and is back because he needs more money.

So he will try and get picked up by any media source he can find, to promote his pay website, and he will allow these arguments to go on for several mouths before even allowing the test. In the end, he will either win because no one will be able to prove he is hoaxing definitively enough, or the event will never happen, meanwhile he has gotten a bigger audience, spread his name further, had more exposed to his philosophies, and made money off his pay site. Win-Win for him, unless he is tested under such stringent circumstances that he is proven to be a fake. Something tells me that if those type of circumstances occur, that the UFO’s will suddenly fail to appear. After all it would not be the first time that happened, and yet look at the believers defending him here.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by Freezer
Lets put an end to all this and put him to the test..He has agreed to take the challenge, so whats the problem? What I don't get is why ATS would issue him a challenge while at the same time he is banned from the site..


ATS never agreed to put him to a test, some user did.
ATS, in fact declared him as a HOAX and banned member already in other threads.

There is going to be some amount of expense involved in this, even if only travel and accommodations. Now the problem seems to be that some want to do a through test of this, while others want to just go sit in the desert with a camcorder. A through test would involve some coordination, acquiring of the proper equipment, and other expenses.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:27 PM
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Springer. I think this deserves your attention.
If this man is a hoaxer this is a chance to blow the lid off of him.

Get together a powerful telescope or device that you can use to get a very good clear recording of this "UFO" whatever it is.

The television coverage was not prepared to get a focused zoomed in shot from such a distance and the image was blurry and inconclusive.

If ATS had a mobile unit with a powerful telescope that could zoom in on and record this object that he summons it will prove the validity or falsehood of these objects once and for all.

I say we do it and bring our motto to life.

DENY IGNORANCE.

Lets reveal truth whatever that truth ends up being.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by Freezer
Lets put an end to all this and put him to the test..He has agreed to take the challenge, so whats the problem? What I don't get is why ATS would issue him a challenge while at the same time he is banned from the site..


Well, again, ATS didn't really issue him the challenge - its members did


If you could ask Prophet Yahweh a question....



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5
In the end, he will either win because no one will be able to prove he is hoaxing definitively enough, or the event will never happen, meanwhile he has gotten a bigger audience, spread his name further, had more exposed to his philosophies, and made money off his pay site. Win-Win for him, unless he is tested under such stringent circumstances that he is proven to be a fake. Something tells me that if those type of circumstances occur, that the UFO’s will suddenly fail to appear. After all it would not be the first time that happened, and yet look at the believers defending him here.


You don't have to be a believer to defend him, I am just asking for evidence of what you said. I actually could believe balloons could be the objects, but at the same time, a craft from that distance would appear the same.

If you had a decent telescope, there should be no question what the object is. I even have some 80mm binos that would be good enough, as well as a reflector telescope. If it is balloons it would be quite easy to tell with a decent scope.


[edit on 16-6-2008 by Freezer]



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by rawsom
You cannot record a proof of an hoax with any device whatsoever. It just isn't possible unless you happen to get a full confession or use a speed camera to examine how magicians make their card tricks, for example.

Proof of things like these lie in logic, reason and empirical knowledge. It is rather difficult to make people realize when they have been proven wrong if they do not understand it themselves.


If he has accomplices releasing balloons, those accomplices could be caught in the act. That would be proof of a hoax



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by MrdDstrbr

Originally posted by rawsom
You cannot record a proof of an hoax with any device whatsoever. It just isn't possible unless you happen to get a full confession or use a speed camera to examine how magicians make their card tricks, for example.

Proof of things like these lie in logic, reason and empirical knowledge. It is rather difficult to make people realize when they have been proven wrong if they do not understand it themselves.


If he has accomplices releasing balloons, those accomplices could be caught in the act. That would be proof of a hoax


Whatever :-)

Anyway, I could dress up as Jesus and preach something about our current species of sold bananas going into extinction and claim people to be completely unable to PROVE me not being Jesus. This would of course also include complete and total abandoning of logic and known fallacies.

(Who cares, only thing true in that would be those bananas.)



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
I leave it to Springer and the staff to decide what to do next with this.....

NO! DON'T LEAVE IT TO SPRINGER! HE IS THE EVIL "S" MAN!
btw, great job on contacting him, i think prophet Yaweh is awesome!



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by sir_chancealot
Wait, you mean the debunkers and skeptics won't be able to tell a genuine UFO from a " balloon, RC aircraft, flying lantern, or other man-made aerial anomaly"?


And how are you going to move the goal posts should he call down a UFO? I submit that even if he called down a UFO, and it anal probed all the skeptics, they would still say he couldn't do it. No amount of "proof" is going to be sufficient for them.


Actually, you are quite incorrect in your assessment of me, and probably many other skeptics. I worked in aviation for so many years that I can normally identify an aircraft type based on its light configuration only. It’s a bit harder to do today, but I used to be able to point out my flights when they were just a point of light on the horizon. Living in Florida, I have also seen many other oddities in the night sky such as rocket launches, fighters running afterburners, lighted blimps, bolides, and sky lanterns to name a few. During those years I have in fact seen one thing that has never been identified. If he can show me something that I cannot identify, cannot reasonably replicate, or that I don’t highly suspect of being fraudulent, then I will certainly admit it. Based on his previous track record, I would give him no slack in his description of what he claims to be doing though.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:46 PM
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NephraTari, and yankeerose, are right. It really is Win-Win for ATS either way.

ATS has an opportunity here to either expose Prophet as a fraudulent hoaxer once and for all, or collect some strong evidence for the whole "telepathic contact" thing that so many talk about - Greer, Gilliland, Prophet, Webre, Salla, Paola Harris, etc etc.

Ignorance Denied, either way!!



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by The Lizard King
Wow. This guy makes it sound like Springer wants to burry Yaweh in the desert then have some kind of an easter egg hunt.


LMAO!!! I just spit my drink all over the place you bastard!


Seriously though, as I said on the other thread, this could definitely be huge, and I agree with what an earlier poster said, it could be huge no matter which direction it goes:

If he fails, ATS was the one there to officially expose and debunk his claims...

If he delivers, this could be one of the biggest stories to ever hit the internet. The implications could be astronomical.

This is definitely something I will be watching with extreme interest...



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