BREAKING: Prophet Yahweh TRIES TO TWIST Challenge to Summon UFOs For ATS and FAILS, page 2
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reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 06:39 PM by Scramjet76
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Yeah I was thinking about that too...

ATS might need a security team for Operation Desert Summon.


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 06:42 PM by MrdDstrbr
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Might I suggest, before doing a big expensive test, which I suspect Springer may not be too glad to do - do a cheap preliminary test first. See if Prophet is willing to simply come out, meet with Springer, and call down a UFO for him. If he succeeds with that, then maybe proceed with some more elaborate, expensive and time-consuming testing....


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 06:45 PM by schrodingers dog
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Of course not. Like I said I'm not an expert. But I have seen extraordinary work here done by members investigating videos. Work that must have taken hours, analyzing individual frames and pixels on blurry videos. And they are given the benefit of the doubt until debunked.
I thought maybe I was missing something with this guy because a lot of posts in this thread seem to indicate that they wouldn't give him a chance to prove himself under any conditions, controlled or otherwise.
I promise I have no vested interest, I'm just trying to understand the dynamics of what is a new culture to me.


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 06:57 PM by rawsom
What if it does not matter to this so called prophet whether he fails or not? If my reasoning is correct, outcome does not matter as next prophecy will include ATS not accepting him, thus once again "proving" him right.

In another words he is just using ATS for personal goals and/or gains.

It might be quite a problem because what we are talking about here is in fact religion, and I would personally run away from such as fast as I can because UFO's mixed with religious ideas are extremely dangerous.

If he is proven a hoax and even some people here think otherwise, it will happen that they will instantly start to actually take seriously what this guy is saying about our religions, especially his.

If however he is proven genuine, I would have to think quite a lot of things all over again. It would be quite a job to totally ignore this guy's religious ideas and extract mere facts from his ramblings. Ignoring of religious ideas has not a single time proven to actually happen when we talk about masses, that's main reason why I would not want this guy to even take the test.

Now what happens in each and every single outcome is that:

He is granted the test:

1. He fails the test.
- some kind of prophecy will afterwards explain that this did have to happen because of whatever. Some peope think otherwise and start listening to him. This can be used for his personal gain.

2. he succeeds.
- he instantly gains 10k followers, permanent or temporary. Ufology will be filled with religion for decades to come. This is obviously a personal gain, and propably the only result that can resolve into something good.

He is not granted the test:

- Conspiracy would be that we do not want to get proof and that we in reality want to ignore reality when given a chance to know it. Some will, again, follow his ideas and start to listen to him.

These things might just as well happen because this guy is not an idiot, I would recommed quite carefull consideration before any decision.

[edit on 16/6/08 by rawsom]



reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 07:14 PM by MrdDstrbr
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I disagree that if he passes the test, that people would start believing his religious ideas.

His religious ideas should be completely left out of this; it's simply a test to see if he is really in telepathic communication with beings as he claims.


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 07:16 PM by defcon5
Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
reply to
post by defcon5



Might I suggest, before doing a big expensive test, which I suspect Springer may not be too glad to do - do a cheap preliminary test first. See if Prophet is willing to simply come out, meet with Springer, and call down a UFO for him.


That will not work, as once PY is allowed to say that he won the challenge, he will post it as a victory and never allow it to be repeated under more stringent conditions. it’s the way that this man thinks. Anything that will give him a boost, he will do, if it might be potentially harmful he will cover it up or make excuses for why it does not happen. This is why the LV thing never happened, his idea was to get a lot of big media coverage, which would give him a lot of exposure (good or bad) and open him up to a huge market of new believers. It was a win situation for him no matter if the UFO’s showed or not, as long as the press did. When the press did not show, he came up with excuses why the event did not occur. The event would most likely not have occurred either way, his idea was to send his message out to those with “itching ears”, and gain support.

Moreover, we see that in this very thread. Those who wish to believe are fighting despite his already having been hacked apart once, because they wish to believe. They do not want to use critical thinking, or scientific process to really examine this mans claims, they simply want to believe. Just look at how the stars on this thread are ending up, it’s certainly not due to better writing on one side or the other, its simply the believes flagging each other to give their side credibility. Any mention of lack of belief, or putting this to a real test, is being disputed or ignored.

That in itself makes me worry about some folks objectivity in performing any type of testing.


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 07:19 PM by rawsom
Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
reply to
post by rawsom



I disagree that if he passes the test, that people would start believing his religious ideas.

His religious ideas should be completely left out of this; it's simply a test to see if he is really in telepathic communication with beings as he claims.


Should but won't. I wouldn't care much about what he is saying in name of religion, but there would be a ton of people who would. I have nothing against good deeds, peace and that sort of thing but these things tend to get our of hand quite easily. It always happens, every single time.

I can of course solve this problem of mine so that I just ignore all the people who listen to religious aspects, it is not a problem. Problems are elswhere..


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 07:21 PM by schrodingers dog
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So what you are saying that any interaction with ATS, whether he succeeds or not is going to give him legitimacy. So basically he is agreeing to do this to get street cred?


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 07:32 PM by rawsom
Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to
post by defcon5



So what you are saying that any interaction with ATS, whether he succeeds or not is going to give him legitimacy. So basically he is agreeing to do this to get street cred?


(You didn't reply to me, but..)

Yes, that is an exact way these sort of people work and gain audience. They have figured out how to say things so that no matter what the outcome of their PR stun (of their own choosing), they will win. Its called a win-win situation.


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 07:40 PM by schrodingers dog
Originally posted by rawsom
Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to
post by defcon5



So what you are saying that any interaction with ATS, whether he succeeds or not is going to give him legitimacy. So basically he is agreeing to do this to get street cred?


(You didn't reply to me, but..)

Yes, that is an exact way these sort of people work and gain audience. They have figured out how to say things so that no matter what the outcome of their PR stun (of their own choosing), they will win. Its called a win-win situation.


It is a dangerous game he is playing. Not so much for us but for his own safety. The kind of people who would take him as a religious figure, tend to get pretty pissed when they are let down. It will either get really ugly or really funny.
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