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BREAKING: Prophet Yahweh TRIES TO TWIST Challenge to Summon UFOs For ATS and FAILS

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posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:02 AM
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Let me ask you a question: What do you care how ATS feels?
You seem to be earnestly passionate about this issue, there have been plenty of members who support you. You can now arrange you experiment without ATS. Yet you keep pushing for their official participation. So ask you again, why?
Think of it this way, you could break the biggest story in the history of earth. Besides you wouldn't want our negative energy messing you up.
So god speed, good luck, and ease up on the sales pitch please.




posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by Enthralled Fan
Because I tend to think that what MrdDstrbr did was to encite something that wasn't really asked for. If Springer wanted to challenge the guy, he would hav asked the guy himself.


All I can say is, look at the amount of interest this has generated. Look at the number of people who are saying, hey this is a GOOD idea. Expose him as a fraud once and for all, or collect some really cool UFO evidence. Ignorance Denied, either way.

Prophet is being very cooperative and willing to communicate here. He seems extremely confident that he can pass the test.

I think it would be foolish to sit back and ignore this and shut him out....



posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
And then when I actually talk to Prophet, I find out that he is very much willing to interview with ATS, he is very much willing to come out and summon UFOs for Springer, under whatever conditions he wants!


So it seems to me, it's ATS that's not giving him a fair chance. "We won't let you prove yourself and summon UFOs for us because we already know you're a con man." Denying Ignorance, or casting judgement? Hmm.........


Really? Then why does PY state that *if* we can come to an agreement and then later wishes to negotiate? Didn't Springer make it clear that he would pick the spot, that PY had to pay his own way there and call down UFO's. Why would an agreement or negotiations be necessary?

ATS not giving him a fair chance? Give me a break. And real prophets don't receive visions that are fuzzy. God didn't give his prophets fuzzy visions and then let them figure it out. No, not only did He specifically outline what would happen and when it would happen, it did happen exactly as he said it would. The prophet was simply a messenger.

But here we have someone who claims to be a prophet and has these fuzzy visions. After all, he's not 100% sure that the vision he had was describing ATS. And he keeps saying "we". Whose "we"? Does PY have some alter egos running around getting visions as well?

Come on. It's time to put your thinking cap on.



posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by MrdDstrbr


You should know, there is a fair amount of interest there to see if you can summon a UFO for ATS under controlled conditions.

Springer, one of the three owners of ATS, says,

"If he pays his own way out to the middle of a desert that I choose, at the time I choose, and he can call down a UFO that I can see through a telescope I will change my opinion."

This could be a great opportunity for you, since ATS is HOT right now - with over 2 million visits per month. If you really can summon UFOs at will, this could help you get the kind of exposure you need.

Will you accept the challenge?

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Sorry, but I do see this as speaking on behalf of Springer. Like I said before, in my opinion, if Springer wanted to challenge the guy, he would have asked him on his own. You took the ball and ran with it. You asked him to except the challenge as a middle man for Springer.

At the very least, it would have been proper for you to let Springer know ahead of time what you intended to do. Instead, you went ahead with this because as you pointed out, Springer made the statement in public.

That was a little presumptive on your part, and I do see it as you not only speaking on behalf of Springer, but you mentioned he is one of 3 site owners, thereby putting the ball in the court of ATS.

You also mentione that "ATS is HOT right now" and it seems perfectly clear to me in what Springer said that they don't have any intention of promoting the guy. You then go on to say this would help Yahweh get the exposure he needs.

I think you were very much in the wrong to do this.

Challenge Yahweh on your own! Use your time, your money and if you get anything of significance, do with it as you wish!



posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by Freenrgy2



ATS not giving him a fair chance? Give me a break. And real prophets don't receive visions that are fuzzy. God didn't give his prophets fuzzy visions and then let them figure it out. No, not only did He specifically outline what would happen and when it would happen, it did happen exactly as he said it would. The prophet was simply a messenger.

But here we have someone who claims to be a prophet and has these fuzzy visions. After all, he's not 100% sure that the vision he had was describing ATS. And he keeps saying "we". Whose "we"? Does PY have some alter egos running around getting visions as well?


Wow, Freenergy2, I'm so impressed! You seem to have the inside scoop on who has fuzzy visions and who does not!

That's amazing! So because you are a Born Again Christian, you have all of this wonderful knowledge??

and this is what Jesus told you personally?? Just wondering.

But could you prove it to us??



posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:17 AM
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This would be a huge waste of time and money for ATS. When we already know the outcomes of "controlled" tests of known charlitans.

They blame the conditions, the people around them giving off negative energy ect.

Not only would this be a huge waste of time and resources/money for ATS, it would just look bad on ufology as a whole, imo.

As previously stated, there are alot better cases to be looked into than this. If ATS is gonna start throwing around hundreds of thousands of dollars in time, man power, travel costs, and equipment expenses, I'd rather see them do something better with it that, prove a Hoax, a Hoax.

This guy never summoned a "real" craft/probe nothing on TV. He summunoed his friend, via bianoculars/telescope, with a hand gesture telling him to release a balloon on cue.

That footage is so corny, fake, and embarrasing, I laugh everytime i watch it, because PY does such a bad job of acting in it.

Don't you think if he summoned a UFO, the cameras would see it coming DOWN from the sky, or do some sort of manuevers at least?

All of these orbs, the thousands that are let go at a time in Mexico ect, all do the same thing, the FLOAT up, in no specific path, just flying along the air current, up, up and away....and out of sight.

I'd like to see ONE of this guys "summoned" orbs come downward, to the ground and land. Oh yea he predicted that didn't he, and it never happened, what was his excuse there?

I am really not a fan of white round objects that just Float away into the sky and dissapear, exactly like a balloon, with no intelligent control.

There's footage of a metallic orb, going behind a cloud then back out, then back behind the cloud again, now THAT is something of note. But I've only seen footage of that one time.

But these balloons, are getting really old, the lanterns too. Now anyone, and everyone can summon "UFO's", on command.

To pursue this any further would be a waste of ATS resources imo.

When PY will use any number of Yuri Gellar(sp?) excuses why it doesn't work in controlled settings.



posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by Freenrgy2
Really? Then why does PY state that *if* we can come to an agreement and then later wishes to negotiate? Didn't Springer make it clear that he would pick the spot, that PY had to pay his own way there and call down UFO's. Why would an agreement or negotiations be necessary?


Because Prophet is waiting to be able to communicate with ATS. He says he was not able to post in the thread.

The sensible thing to do would be for he and Springer to work this out in email or over the phone.


So why don't we have some patience and see what Springer says? Maybe he's been talking to Prophet, or maybe I'll just get a slap on the wrist.... again.


But I'm lovin all the people speaking up and saying that this is a good idea....



posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by MrdDstrbr

All I can say is, look at the amount of interest this has generated. Look at the number of people who are saying, hey this is a GOOD idea. Expose him as a fraud once and for all, or collect some really cool UFO evidence. Ignorance Denied, either way.

Prophet is being very cooperative and willing to communicate here. He seems extremely confident that he can pass the test.

I think it would be foolish to sit back and ignore this and shut him out....


Well, then do something about it. To assume that ATS is going to get involved after what Springer has said is wrong of you.

You are willing to listen to the guy, so, get your little crew together of people who want to see the challenge and go for it.

Use your time, your money.

Go for it if you wish to see it happen.

To assume you will get any other backing after the underhanded way in which you presented the challenge is something I don't see happening. Now, I could be wrong, but people don't like being painted into a corner, at least I know I don't.



posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:22 AM
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I'd have to agree with you. The person who contacted the "prophet" spoke on behalf of everyone here on ATS without consulting not even a mod, and like outlined before, now we're in a corner because almost any outcome now would be to his benefit. I think the best bet would to just be avoid the entire situation. OP, challenge him yourself. Spend your own time and money. Don't drag the entire community into it. But because it's too late, now look where we are. Either way he wins. This should be a lesson to us all.



posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:22 AM
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I have to agree with others who have expressed the concern that if he is indeed a charlatan, he may attempt to pass off ATS's (in his mind) "refusal" to test him, as a credibility booster. That's my biggest concern. I would hate for a con artist to gain at the expense of ATS in certain people's minds.

If, on the other hand, he is genuine (which I doubt but cannot disprove definitively and so must remain open minded with respect to,) then there is little to lose by testing him.

Either way, while I totally understand if ATS staff members disagree, I have to take the opinion that ATS should test him. It's the only way to avoid the first scenario in my opinion, and I feel that this would be a detriment - however small - to this site's credibility and the image of its willingness to deny ignorance.

What greater ignorance is there than placing faith in a false prophet/leader/ruler/teacher? It's the oldest form of hoodwinking. Conversely, it would also be ignorant to condemn someone without proof in my opinion (don't get me wrong - I don't believe him, but I can't definitively prove it.)

Testing him seems to be the only means of denying both those examples of ignorance, now that this Pandora's Box has been opened...
I feel therefore that ATS must live up to its credo or risk its befoulment.


[edit on 6/17/2008 by AceWombat04]



posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:24 AM
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Isn't there anyone here who lives in the Las Vegas area who could watch PY summon some UFOs?

Then that person could report back here on what they saw including a video of the sighting.

But I still think the Lie Detector Test route would be a good start too.



posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by Enthralled Fan
At the very least, it would have been proper for you to let Springer know ahead of time what you intended to do. Instead, you went ahead with this because as you pointed out, Springer made the statement in public.


That's right, Springer made the statement in public. All I did was say to Prophet, hey look at what Springer of ATS said about you!

And then I find out how willing Prophet is to play ball and cooperate and pass whatever tests ATS wants to throw at him!

Cool!!




You also mentione that "ATS is HOT right now"


Which is true,



and it seems perfectly clear to me in what Springer said that they don't have any intention of promoting the guy.


No, Springer said they had no intention of interviewing him. But he then went on to say, in my thread, that he would change his opinion of Prophet if Prophet summoned a UFO for him out in the desert!



posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:29 AM
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So a few things this guy could be, lets leave it up to you to decide. Open your mind to the ideas.

1. A Fraud/Hoax
2. A guy that attracts UFO's
3. A guy that is aware and doesn't know how but sends out Telepathic messages and the UFO's pick them up.
4. God sent him for this very purpose
5. He is/or was one of them


These are all possibilities.

I can tell you that you do not want to make contact with the guys in the UFO's. They are not friendly. Think about it, if they were friendly wouldn't the general audiance know them face to face instead of guessing?

If you see them make sure you do not draw them near you. You may be taken.



posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:29 AM
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I would appreciate it if you could respond to my question at the top of this page. Thanks



posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by Nola213

There's footage of a metallic orb, going behind a cloud then back out, then back behind the cloud again, now THAT is something of note. But I've only seen footage of that one time.



I would love a link if you can find one. I have seen something similar first hand but close up.... not high in the sky..

ty.



posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by wang_ke_~
Wow, Freenergy2, I'm so impressed! You seem to have the inside scoop on who has fuzzy visions and who does not!

That's amazing! So because you are a Born Again Christian, you have all of this wonderful knowledge??

and this is what Jesus told you personally?? Just wondering.

But could you prove it to us??


What I have is the ability to read posts. I suggest you go do the same.



posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by wang_ke_~
Isn't there anyone here who lives in the Las Vegas area who could watch PY summon some UFOs?

Then that person could report back here on what they saw including a video of the sighting.


I think this may be the best way to proceed. Before investing any serious time or money, have some members who live near Prophet check it out and see if he can summon UFOs for them.

If he can do that, then proceed with a more exhaustive test.



posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by MrdDstrbr

Originally posted by Enthralled Fan
At the very least, it would have been proper for you to let Springer know ahead of time what you intended to do. Instead, you went ahead with this because as you pointed out, Springer made the statement in public.


That's right, Springer made the statement in public. All I did was say to Prophet, hey look at what Springer of ATS said about you!


No, Springer said they had no intention of interviewing him. But he then went on to say, in my thread, that he would change his opinion of Prophet if Prophet summoned a UFO for him out in the desert!


I still think this is a win/win situation for ATS not for PY.

Whatever happens we can provide valid proof one way or the other if we are properly prepared.

We can either submit evidence once and for all that he is a hoax or that UFO's are real.


I am concerned that the issue might be that ATS does not have the equipment to do this?



[edit on 17-6-2008 by NephraTari]



posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by Freenrgy2



What I have is the ability to read posts. I suggest you go do the same.


And once again sir, I suggest you stop attacking those whose interpretations of the Bible is different than yours.

PY is calling himself a Prophet.
You call yourself a Born Again Christian.

Each of you think you are more special in God's eye's than any of those who do not share your religious beliefs.

As far as I'm concerned, you and PY are birds of the same feather.



posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by sensfan
For those of you waiting to hear from Springer, I doubt you will. He's already states his thoughts in the first thread started by the OP....And he's right on.


The reality is this fellow has been blown out of the water on so many levels it's not funny, His July 2006 landing in Las Vegas went by without whisper.

ALL of his "UFOs" have the incredible ability to look exactly like large balloons being carried by wind currents.


From NEW UFO PICS Gilliland Ranch


Originally posted by Springer
HOLD THE PHONE...

This is the fourth or fifth report I've read about James' ranch. I don't remember if I met James in San Jose last year but I know he was there and that Johnny and Dave have interviewed him.

Firstly, I have to agree these photos are utterly unimpressive and I would agree with the majority who see a moth, dust, etc...

THAT BEING SAID...

The testimony of a pilot holds sway with me to some extent. The inability to capture the things in a cheap digital camera doesn't conclusively rule out what the man says he experienced and saw.


I asked this "pilot" what he thought about balloons at those altatudes...


Originally posted by jpvskyfreak
SMOKERSROOM & WILBERT

SmokersRoom : If you re read my post I said they were flying faster than a commercial then slow right down then speed up again .... the reference to the UK Southampton ORBS was an attempt by me to to visually indicate to readers the kind of image in the sky we saw. But ours did change its intensity of brightness.

lanterns don't Descend rapidly ..stop fly level at high speed then stop then disappear then come back on , or power up for that matter.

Winds at each level in the sky are generally uniform in strength ... so say at 10,000ft you might have 25kts of wind and at 15000ft you may have 40kts of wind .... "if" it was a balloon or a lantern it would be cruising at a constant slow uniform speed of the wind.

If it did bob as rapidly or as fast as it did it would tear a normal aircraft in half let alone a lantern.

Mt. Adams elevation is 12276ft .... so any aircraft that has a track that comes within 10nm either side of their flight path needs to fly at a lowest safe altitude of 14300ft and airliners would add another 1000ft to that ...being the absolute minimum altitude you could be at in an emergency or any for any reason at night or when in cloud or operating under IFR flight rules would be say 15300ft for argument sake.

The craft we observed were below the tip of Mt Adams about 8-10 miles away displaying flight characteristics that defy that of normal aircraft at about 10,000ft.... so if they were aircraft made by us they were operating illegally and displaying amazing flight characteristics .... unknown to us at present.

No it wasn't a Lantern and it wasn't an aircraft. It was something that I had not seen before ... and after all the time and effort it took to come from half way round the world to the Ranch I ill be coming back for sure. It was Amazing and unmistakable.

"If the light doesn't fit you must acquit?" Sorry I know what I saw!


In this thread.... LOL! The HOAXER, Prophet Yahweh is back, with new HOAXED UFO footage, says he will film a 'Landing

Someone comments on how fast these object move.. and also I'm wondering how this object is moving in the news coverage towards a base and then back again? Can winds change direction that quickly? Cross winds?

I'm wondering if Yahweh may be able to remove "cloaks" from these objects without their consent. Perhaps he is able to sense their presence but is misinterpreting these "feelings" in what he knows and believes.

It's not his views that is interesting but what he "might" be able to do which he may not be fully understanding of.

ATS may also be short on cash or stretched in resources to pursue this venture due to other projects..

We all want to pay our bills. Like this Yahweh seems to want cash too.. Just because we may be exposed to aliens does not mean all of our wants or needs will be met, nor will our bills go away. So regardless of anyone or institution looking to gain financially is redundant so long as the evidence which is scrutinized in a scientific way leads to an acceptable "truth".


[edit on 17-6-2008 by Willbert]

[edit on 17-6-2008 by Willbert]



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