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Jesus crucified or hanged?

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posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:04 PM
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"That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjunction to follow, for of a surety they killed him not." Quran, 4:156-159


Christians don't even seem to agree on Jesus' death


Acts 5:29-30

29 Peter and the other apostles replied: We must obey God rather than men!
30 The God of our fathers raised Jesus from the dead--whom you had killed by hanging him on a tree.


1 Thessalonians 2:15 - Jews killed the Lord Jesus.




posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:06 PM
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could you input the actual quotes here, itd be a big help, thanks! i would look it up myself but
1. dont have a bible near me
2. lazy



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:09 PM
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I did, your not looking close enough

Here's another one:

1 peter 2:23-25
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:11 PM
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sorry! my bad, wasnt in quotes, gets confused easily, tired, and HUNGRY!


this is interesting, but could htey perhaps mean "hung on a tree" as in nailed to wood?

im gonna have to dig into the history and see if hangings were even around in this time



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:14 PM
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I don't think it necessarily means 'hanged by the neck'. I suppose if you are nailed to a piece of wood, you would hang there. Its just another way of explaining the way Christ was killed.



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:14 PM
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That's a good point about being nailed to wood=hung on a tree. The Bible is full of ambiguous wording like that.



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by Scat


this is interesting, but could htey perhaps mean "hung on a tree" as in nailed to wood?


Let's be serious here.

This is proof that the entire New Testament cannot be trusted.

How do you compare being nailed to a CROSS with being hanged on a TREE?



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:15 PM
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read this:

IV O wondrous grace! O gracious charity! O love of sinners in such agony! Sweet Father of the poor! O who can be Unmoved to witness this great mystery,-- The Healer smitten, hanging on a tree?

V O gentle Jesus, turn Thee unto me; What i have broken do Thou bind in me, And what is crooked make Thou straight in me; What I have lost restore Thou unto me, And what is weak and sickly heal in me.

VI O Love! with all my strength I seek for Thee; Upon and in thy Cross I look for Thee; With sorrow and with hope I turn to Thee,-- That through Thy Blood new health may come to me, That washed therein Thy love may pardon me.

VII O take my heart, Thou Loved One; let it be Transfixed with those dear wounds for love of Thee, O wound it, Jesus, with pure love of Thee; And let it so be crucified with Thee, that it may be forever joined to Thee.

hanging on a tree- when you look at a crucifix, jesus is in fact "hanging" from the nails on the tree (cross)

question! does anyone know whther or not jesus was given a footpedestal or if he was left hanging? i was told once in school (catholic school...gag!) but i cannot remember!

Jesus Hanging on the Cross



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by Illmatic67

Originally posted by Scat


this is interesting, but could htey perhaps mean "hung on a tree" as in nailed to wood?


Let's be serious here.

This is proof that the entire New Testament cannot be trusted.

How do you compare being nailed to a CROSS with being hanged on a TREE?


ifhe was not given the foot pedestal (which im pretty sure he wasnt, anybody know?) then it is entirely being hung. hung, slung, whatever your diction may be.

duh the new testament cant be trusted! hahaha!



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:19 PM
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No, no people. Everyone here is missing the point.

Jesus being nailed to the cross is the backbone of the Christian faith.

Every single testament has him being NAILED to the CROSS, not being HANGED on a TREE.

It's two different things totally.

The writers of the Gospel may have written in metaphors but this is something totally different.

If a man said Jesus was hanged on a tree as opposed as being nailed to the cross he'd probably be charged with blasphemy.



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:19 PM
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... I believe Jesus was crucified, nothing will change my beliefs on that. I'm not sure if you're just trying to prove the Bible wrong, make Christians feel bad, or whatever. But...

In a crucifiction the person is left hanging. I believe they die from suffocation from their ribs.



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by Illmatic67
No, no people. Everyone here is missing the point.

Jesus being nailed to the cross is the backbone of the Christian faith.

Every single testament has him being NAILED to the CROSS, not being HANGED on a TREE.

It's two different things totally.

The writers of the Gospel may have written in metaphors but this is something totally different.

If a man said Jesus was hanged on a tree as opposed as being nailed to the cross he'd probably be charged with blasphemy.



Then what are you trying to prove...? I know he was crucified, you were the one saying he was hanged. What are you saying?



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:24 PM
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I don't care what you believe in.

This isn't me trying to make Christians feel bad.

This is me spotting an obvious flaw in the Bible and commenting on it.

People are either deaf, dumb, or blind or all three to believe being hanged and crucified is the same thing.



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:25 PM
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sorry- the pics didnt show...dag....

[Edited on 3-4-04 by Scat]



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by Illmatic67
I don't care what you believe in.

This isn't me trying to make Christians feel bad.

This is me spotting an obvious flaw in the Bible and commenting on it.

People are either deaf, dumb, or blind or all three to believe being hanged and crucified is the same thing.


good! point away!

im just trying topoint out an obvious flaw in your statement.


its bible wording. metaphors. the entire old testament is a fable, chocked full of metaphors. maybe some writers in the new testament were artsy fartsy and wanted to be cool sothey used naturalistic metaphors? who the hell knows?

and im neither deaf, dumb, nor blind. i actually found crap disproving what you said.
and hangins were not used until britains era (if im correct, if not please someone give me alink im having a hard time dinfind info on the history of hangings.

im not even christian!


dont get so deffensive, its all in good fun. you were just commenting, i was just commenting. good good good. commentation......


[Edited on 3-4-04 by Scat]



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by Illmatic67
"That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjunction to follow, for of a surety they killed him not." Quran, 4:156-159


The 'Gospel of Barnabas' should complement this scriptural quote very well(or so I've heard, I have yet to read it myself); even though it may contradict the Qur'an on a few points.





[Edited on 4-3-2004 by Tamahu]



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:36 PM
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Peter wrote to people who didn't witness the crucifiction of Christ.

But he didn't say nailed to a cross, he said hung on a tree.

What would the reader think? You think they will know Jesus was really nailed to a cross from reading "hung on a tree"

And people have been hung on trees ever since the dawn of civilization. Every civilization, empire, country has used it.



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:41 PM
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It's also been referred to as "Hanging from a tree" and also "Nailing to a tree". It would be nice tos ee the actual wording, and not a translation, since definitions of words, and even how words are used in a language, change over time.

When you nail someone to a cross, he hangs there. Think about that.

I'm also pretty sure they used hangings in Roman times, althoghu I'm not sure how common it was. Probably moreso than crucifixion, though.

[Edited on 4-3-2004 by Esoterica]



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:43 PM
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can you send me a link though? im not trying to barate you, imjsut really interested in hangings now, i learned alot about lynchings a few years back but ya know that started in america so blah.


but look, those weer what maybe 4 quotes from the bible? the letters he wrote, did you read tho whole rest of the letters?

i dont think these men were dumbasses, maybe, but probably not.

plus, you said yourself that the new testament was not to be trusted, to whats the hubbub? you KNOW they changed, shnazzed up, and did some hi fi editing on those "letters" before they were ever but in da big book.

this is my opinion though, so whateva



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 11:45 PM
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Originally posted by Esoterica
It's also been referred to as "Hanging from a tree" and also "Nailing to a tree". It would be nice tos ee the actual wording, and not a translation, since definitions of words, and even how words are used in a language, change over time.

When you nail someone to a cross, he hangs there. Think about that.

I'm also pretty sure they used hangings in Roman times, althoghu I'm not sure how common it was. Probably moreso than crucifixion, though.

[Edited on 4-3-2004 by Esoterica]


an interesting ocurance with this that i often use when talking about bible translation-

in the original story of cinderella, her slipper is not glass...its FUR. the words were so close that interpreters mistook it for glass, seeing how in their english culture, fur shoes were ont in popularity. so we've been living a lie. whoops! go grab disney, weve got some editing to do on that flick of his!

i know in jesus' time that crucifxion was THE WAY to go. thousands of crucifixions happened, i dont think hangins were in the mod yet. but then again i do not know, thats why im asking for a link



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