Fluoride is Natural in Water, page 1
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Topic started on 16-6-2008 @ 08:18 AM by TheComte
I'm tired of hearing about the fluoride in water conspiracy theories. Fluoride occurs naturally in the ocean, earth's crust, and fresh water. Is God in on the conspiracy?

www.env.gov.bc.ca...

The fluoride content of natural water supplies in Canada varies between 0.01 and 4.5 mg/L. Ground water infiltration is suspected of being the major source of fluoride in surface water with high fluoride concentrations (Anon, 1980). Since some natural supplies exceed the fluoride drinking water objective of 1.0 mg/L, they need to be treated to remove excess fluoride. Other supplies are below the objective and need to have fluoride added since too little has detrimental effects on teeth.


Health Risks



  • There is no known health risk associated with drinking water fluoridated with the recommended levels.
  • Like many natural substances, fluoride can be harmful if taken in excessive amounts, but toxic levels cannot be reached by drinking fluoridated water.
  • Scientific evidence does not support claims that fluoridated water has more lead/or other chemicals than non-fluoridated water.

www.halton.ca...


Finally,

In response to claims that water fluoridation is dangerous, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) reviewed research on dental cavities prevention and public policy, including fluoridation. It agreed with antifluoride activists that many studies in this area are of poor quality. However, the NIH panel concluded that the unevenness of research does not invalidate the clear benefits of fluoride. The NIH believes that the dramatic reductions in tooth decay in the past 30 years are due to fluoridation of the water supply, and parents and health professionals should continue to ensure that kids receive enough fluoride to prevent cavities.
www.kidshealth.org...


Fluoridated water is no more dangerous than unfluoridated, and the benefits for dental health are great and proven.


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 08:52 AM by schrodingers dog
reply to post by TheComte


No matter where you stand on the benefits/perils of public water fluoridation from a health point of view, there is a graver concern.
The main objection is the ability of governments to medicate their population without their consent.
Fluoridation:

A threat to your health and liberty

A Green Party 2003 elections briefing

Michelle Dixon

April 2003

Contact Green Party press office, 020 7561 0282, press@greenparty.org.uk

Contents

Introduction p 2
Fluoride is harmful to health p 2
Fluoride doesn’t reduce tooth decay p 3
Fluoridation contravenes human rights and medical ethics p 3
The government’s scientific advisors aren't being very scientific p 4
Fluoridation harms the environment p 4
Most countries don’t fluoridate p 4
8. Conclusion: Don't fluoridate – educate p 5

1. Introduction



1.1 Green Party candidates in this year’s elections to the National Assembly for Wales and the English local authorities are campaigning to prevent the fluoridation of Britain’s drinking water – or where the local water supply is already fluoridated, to stop this. The party will take a prominent role in combating fluoridation wherever the issue might be raised.


www.greenparty.org.uk...(1).htm




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reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 09:57 AM by TheComte
reply to post by schrodingers dog



You're missing the point. Fluoride is natural in water. Some places have to remove it from the water so it doesn't exceed safe levels. Do you want gov'ts to leave unsafe levels of fluoride in the water? No, of course not.
Fluoride does prevent tooth decay. Its benefits are proven.



reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 10:19 AM by schrodingers dog
reply to post by TheComte



That is not correct.
I have obviously have no problem with the government removing poisons from our water supply be they fluoride or anything else. That is their duty.
But that is not the same as adding fluoride or any other supplement in my water without my consent. Don't I have the right to manage my own health, why not then put vitamin c,b,a,d?


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 11:05 AM by schrodingers dog
reply to post by MrPenny



What part of having the right to choose my own supplements or medications is being an activist? You say fluoride is healthy, fine. Do you mind if I decide for myself? How would you like it if I spray your dinner with healthy supplements without your consent?


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 11:08 AM by TheComte
reply to post by Dan Tanna



I'm amazed that you think the gov't is putting huge amounts of fluoride into the water. Like most naturally occurring elements, fluorine is toxic in high doses. That doesn't mean it's not beneficial in low doses, generally no more than 1 part per million. Show me one municipal water supply that exceeds this limit.

Serious toxic effects are possible from massive doses of extremely high levels of fluoride (e.g. 2500-5000 mgs of fluoride would have to be consumed at one sitting to achieve this). In comparison, only 1 mg of fluoride is found in 1 liter (4 cups) of fluoridated water at 1 ppm. You would have to drink 3,125 liters of fluoridated water at1 ppm at one sitting, to obtain a toxic dose of fluoride.

The fluoride that you consume, if not utilized by your teeth and bones is efficiently excreted by your kidneys within 24 hours. To obtain a fluoride level that could harm your bones, an individual would have to drink 10 - 25 liters (equivalent to 50-125 cups) of fluoridated water at 1 ppm per day for 10 to 20 years. The average fluid intake for an adult is 1.5 liters (6 cups) a day.
www.bchealthguide.org...


I am enjoying that glass of water now. But I won't be drinking 3,125 litres in one sitting, any time soon.



reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 11:22 AM by Dan Tanna
re-examination of fluoride toxicity

Still drinking that water ?



Fluoride poisoning has occurred in the USA because of pump trouble, and from fluoride mistaken ingestion by mistaken use of fluoride. However, fluoride poisoning has also occurred from recommended use of fluoride. This fact suggests that the toxic dose is lower than widely believed. The 1991 Ad Hoc Committee,36 another 1991 USA workshop,1 a 1992 workshop in Canada,2 WHO in 1994,3 and the American Society of Pediatrics,37 all promoters of fluoride use, have begun to re-examine the daily dose of fluoride because of the increased incidence of dental fluorosis.38-40 This increase may be attributable to increased daily fluoride intake from fluoride-containing toothpaste, fluoride mouth rinsing, fluoride tablets and drops, from beverages, especially juices and juice-flavored drinks,41 and from fluoridation of water supply systems.


Really, you still think its not a problem or some thing to be aware of ? Good for you, enjoy your medication.


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 11:38 AM by TheComte
reply to post by Dan Tanna



According to the article you cite there is fluoride in almost all processed food and drink. If the gov't is trying to poison us why isn't everyone sick? Why aren't ERs full of fluoride poisoning victims? Because the evidence shows that the vast majority of people are unaffected in any way.


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 11:40 AM by dervishmadwhirler
reply to post by TheComte



Silly post, actually (in my opinion:lol
Hey, man go ahead and drink your fluoridated water, drink whatever the fork you like.
The government in Amsterdam doesnt fluoridate water and the water in Amsterdam is deemed the best in the world.
Ingesting fluoride doesnt do any good for the teeth, anyway.

This post is clearly again one of those posts that doesnt want to prove anything, but tries to discredit and divert attention.
From your previous reactions and posts it is becoming clear that you have a certain hatred for people who mistrust authoritiy as we have it now.
Anyway, join the conspiracy if you will, but do not begrudge people their own choice.
It still eludes me why some dogs defend the owner that beats them and poisons them...but then again, I am not a dog
And heck! Behaviour like yours is quite silly on a CONSPIRACY site, come to think of it.
Embrace ignorance, eh? It is not even covert, in your case, mister penny!

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reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 11:51 AM by dervishmadwhirler
Originally posted by TheComte
reply to
post by Dan Tanna



According to the article you cite there is fluoride in almost all processed food and drink. If the gov't is trying to poison us why isn't everyone sick? Why aren't ERs full of fluoride poisoning victims? Because the evidence shows that the vast majority of people are unaffected in any way.


Unaffected? Havent you seen the voting behaviour of people? Havent you seen the change in most of the youth from openminded people to echoes of the (illegal) government? Havent you noticed the increase in fascism and racism in america? The inability to think and the inability to resist oppression?




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reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 11:59 AM by TheComte
Originally posted by dervishmadwhirler
Silly post, actually (in my opinion:lol
Hey, man go ahead and drink your fluoridated water, drink whatever the fork you like.


Your post is silly as well as it doesn't provide any evidence that the levels of fluoride in water are harmful. Nor does it address the fact that fluoride is natural in water.
And, thank you, I will drink water. Since it's not dangerous.

The government in Amsterdam doesnt fluoridate water and the water in Amsterdam is deemed the best in the world.
Ingesting fluoride doesnt do any good for the teeth, anyway.


Nice try. Amsterdam has the best water in the Netherlands not the world, sometimes only in the top 3. But, congratulations on having good tap water. Here is the reason, not because it's not fluoridated.

The reason that the tap water is of this high quality is that the water company (Waternet) has an advanced and innovative water purification system, and constantly invests in the latest technology.
www.simplyamsterdam.nl...


This post is clearly again one of those posts that doesnt want to prove anything, but tries to discredit and divert attention.
From your previous reactions and posts it is becoming clear that you have a certain hatred for people who mistrust authoritiy as we have it now.
Anyway, join the conspiracy if you will, but do not begrudge people their own choice.


You could be talking about your own post with this statement. And, no, I don't hate people who mistrust authority. I do myself but in this case there is no proof that fluoridation harms people; there is evidence that it does prevent tooth decay. Plus, it occurs naturally in most water.


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 12:22 PM by schrodingers dog
reply to post by TheComte



TheComte,
You keep pushing the health aspect of fluoride but still have not addressed our right not to be medicated by our government. Please answer the question I put to you earlier: How would you feel if I or an fda employee sprayed your dinner with vitamins without your consent?
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