Was Obama's Certificate of Birth Photoshopped?, page 3
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reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 12:36 AM by AnOldFriend
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Do you know anything about the BC no. other then it is on a bc? I tried to find exactly what it is but i couldn't come up with anything. Perhaps it could be used to steal his identity or something along those line.

And dont you think they could just falsify that too while they are at it?



reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 12:41 AM by AnOldFriend
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Well lets see that document you made. Would go a long way in proving what you say is true. I don't know alot about all the technical mumbojumbo that goes into creating an image. However there was another graphic designer here that says otherwise.


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 12:52 AM by AnOldFriend
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I really doubt that even if you had the number the agency that supplied this to Obama probably wouldn't give you any information anyway. But it is a but curios why they black it out, if i were to launch a theory it would be about that not the rest of the doc. But alas i know not what the number is/could be used for.



reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 12:53 AM by AnOldFriend
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How exactly would I create a new one without fake info? And What would the point be in going over something with the same thing that is already there?


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 12:59 AM by jamie83
Originally posted by AnOldFriend
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I really doubt that even if you had the number the agency that supplied this to Obama probably wouldn't give you any information anyway. But it is a but curios why they black it out, if i were to launch a theory it would be about that not the rest of the doc. But alas i know not what the number is/could be used for.


Yes, the blacked out Cert. No. is a bit of a mystery. But I think if you knew the right person at the Hawaii Dept. of Records you might get a copy of the CoB.


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 01:04 AM by AnOldFriend
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That is true but that person would be in some very serious trouble quite soon after it was released. I am sure there system has some sort of log that would display who when and where the info was accessed.


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 01:06 AM by AnOldFriend
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Ok and i showed you how it was most probably done if indeed it was. I cant recreate it. However when you get the chance i would love to see your go at it.


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 01:12 AM by jamie83
Originally posted by AnOldFriend
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That is true but that person would be in some very serious trouble quite soon after it was released. I am sure there system has some sort of log that would display who when and where the info was accessed.


True, and I'm sure anybody who tried to steal the identity of Obama would also be caught and punished pretty severely.

So that said, why black out the cert. no.??? I have no clue why they didn't want people knowing the Cert. no.


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 01:20 AM by AnOldFriend
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I agree, the blacking out of the number is a bit suspicious. perhaps you can get the answer here.

watchdog@barackobama.com



Jet, I dont understand what your saying. You want me to find the exact same font and go over the old text exactly with the same info? What would that prove?


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 01:27 AM by HaTaX
Hmmm, well I'll first admit that I did not read the entire thread, and thought it best not to, so that I would share my opinion about the OP without being influenced by all the previous responses.

Now I work with scanned images ALOT in my line of work (involves heavy interaction with document management software), and I can tell you from first impression what you're seeing with those artifacts is created by a compression or quantization pattern that is being run in low quality mode. Basically what these quantization matrices do is break the image across a block, and then break that block into many other blocks attempting to compress the image and use "repeated blocks" to save space by referencing 1 block many times across an image. If you're feeling adventurous, Microsoft has a nice PDF on how this works with ONE type of vector based quantization pattern here:
research.microsoft.com...
(Please note, this PDF is from one of MS's research employees)

So anyway, the point of that whole mess is that the type of artifacting you're seeing is exactly as planned. The user wanted to post that image on the web and probably had to meet size constraints. Because of that, they chose a lesser quality algorithm to make the file smaller. Smaller file size = larger blocks of sample size, so there's less "samples" of the original image. When those blocks have a piece of a letter in them, they tend to throw the color value for the entire block off. Then we see this as mis-colored "boxes" around the print. It's a real PITA when you're trying to reproduce a document accurately and you're dealing with such a loose standard like JPEG, you see this all the time around borders of objects with a background near them that's not one solid color.

This should prove that just because we see it in the document, that isn't 100% proof that it was modified. Anytime that document is saved as a JPEG in a lower quality, those artifacts are bound to show up, and with each progressive copy and re-sampling, the problem becomes more pronounced and obvious.


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 01:29 AM by SavageHenry
Originally posted by jetxnet
Read the article below, it states what I too believe, that Obama was born in Kenya. Barack Senior took Barack's Mom back to Africa with him because he was an economist for the Kenyan government (after going to school in the US). They went back before Obama was born. Obama's early years were in Kenya. Obama's Mom was a missionary there.

www.associatedcontent.com...






That is not an ARTICLE by a real Journalist who has resources to investigate at their disposal ...

It reads like something you WROTE yourself...

In fact it is basically a FORUM post in Article formatl.

It it not Journalism .. just half baked bullfeces strained from the Freeprepublics of the world..

My god.. World Net Daily is a more legitimate source then that drivel...





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