I have found it is worse then useless to argue the point with Vegans. Vegans are worse then conservative bible thumping republicans.

No facts you give them will sway them from trying to sway you to there way of thinking. They will yell all day at the top of there lungs how there way is the right way and the rest of humanity is wrong. they will say that they have science on there side. They will not see facts.

They will say silly things like our k9 teeth have evolved because we started to eat meat. never mind that all the skulls found have had them from the earliest ones to present day. Meaning we have always ate meat.

They will say oh if you need the vitamins that come from meat, buy them. Never mind that in our distant past we could only get those vitamins from eating meat we could not mass produce vitamin tablets.

They will show you silly charts to support there arguments but there charts have proof that they are wrong purposely left out. I could go on and on with 100% facts poking holes in there arguments but whats the use.

They will still chose to hide what they are just so they can feel superior to you. You will never convince them that we need meat every bit as much as we do fruits and vegetables.

I will say this much. The survival forum is the wrong place for this argument. Meat can will and does keep us alive. If you chose not to believe this then you are choosing not to survive. Don't come to a survivalist forums and preach to us not to use one of the greatest survival tools because it offends your superiority complex.

The website you linked is a vegan website. Not exactly the most unbiased source for information considering the topic here. If you can find a nuetral website that isnt pushing the vegan way of life or the carnivore way of life, and that has some evidence that has been backed up by science. People will take a scientist much more serious than some random guy on the internet. If there really is something to your claims it shouldnt be that hard to find some REAL evidence.


As for that chart you posted, it is very misleading and most likely inaccurate considering it leaves out omnivores.

Please provide a non-biased link with some scientific evidence to back up your claim. If you do I will take this thread serious, but untill then....

Originally posted by angryamerican
I will say this much. The survival forum is the wrong place for this argument. Meat can will and does keep us alive. If you chose not to believe this then you are choosing not to survive. Don't come to a survivalist forums and preach to us not to use one of the greatest survival tools because it offends your superiority complex.

Skipping over the whole insult of superiority complex i agree fully with you. I know the wild foods of britain, i know whats available at each time of the year and i know, for a fact that no person could survive a winter here without fish or animal meat. Even with fish i still think you'd need animal meat for the fat.

If this were in any other forum this arguement would be mute, however it's in the survival forum at the moment and in a survival situation meat is your friend and in colder climates, essential.

Oh and for those saying we're designed to not eat meat, i will bring up the eskimo as proof. They survived on diets containing meat and fat only for a long time. They are obviously designed to eat meat.

Wait a minute......

A Hell of a lot of birds eat fish, and scraps of meat for that matter.

Now i dont know about you but ive never seen a bird with a full set of canines to chew meat.

All species will adapt, not just humans.

For gods sake people, if you had no choice and were starving youd be eating bin liners and yoghurt pots just to try and get something in your stomach.

Weve adapted to our circumstances as have most animals.

Saying we werent designed to eat meat is just ignorant, we were designed to eat anything of nutritional value.....full stop.

As many vegans have posted they supplement their diet with vitamins,
a sure sign we wernt meant to only eat grains and plants.

T.Smith

Gorillas are nearly completely vegetarian, though they do eat insects and grubs when available. They get their B12 from eating their own bowel movements as the bacteria in the colon synthesize B12! So, if you want to be a pure vegan and live naturally, you're going to have to start eating sh*t out of the toilet ....gross!

Personally, I find that about 90-95% vegan is best with the occasional fish or shellfish thrown in for protein, omega-3s and a multivit gets whatever else is missing. A mix of lentils, rice, beans, and quinoa cooked together is an excellent staple and provides complete protein.

Eating a diet high in conventionally produced meat is indeed toxic as these animals have been fed corn only diets. They have no omega-3 fatty acids, lots of omega-6 fatty acids which are highly inflammatory and lead to all sorts of chronic diseases.

That being said the OP is on the right track; we are opportunistic meat eaters by nature; 99% of the time our ancestors scavenged and ate roots, veggies, fish/shellfish, insects and the bones of left-over lion kills which we cracked open for marrow or brains. Mostly our ancestors were too slow to catch live meat except on rare occasions when they could drive a bison over a cliff or into a pit trap.

I know, however would we function? I'm surprised I've even lived a full two years being Vegan. It's incredible to find out the way I've been eating has been sucking me dry for the past few years.. Thank god we have people who've never tried the diet, only criticized to set us straight. As if it's some grand battle between people who eat meat, and others who don't. Another wild social cliche, I'll never understand.


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peoples in more colder than warmer regions of the world would have to resort to killing and eating meat because it's the only food around in significant amounts.

No known safe plants, vegetables, or fruits to eat around, what would you do?

But I would have to agree that in this day and age of vast gardening knowledge, humans should start weaning itself off meat and back into plant based diets.

Did your meat go bad? no problem, farm and gather maggots and other bugs from rotting meat, wash the maggots, and fry them, etc. I've never tried maggots but I've heard they are tasty.

You can even eat worms, cleaned slugs, snails. Just rummage through an advanced compost pile or the ground.

I think you can even eat grass provided anyone didn't put pesticides on it.

As long as its not poisonous, indigestible, contaminated, a foodsafe concern, humans can probably eat anything.