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reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 03:18 PM by mrmanuva
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


Yes his point about creatine is true, atp levels suffer without it. However it is certainly not true that it is only found it red meats, it is found in all meats and fish.


reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 03:18 PM by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by AnOldFriend


Yep i agree, it's why i avoid alcohol for the most part. I can drink plenty alright but even one bottle of lager tends to seriously knock me about the next day. Not like your classic hangover, my body just doesn't seem to work right. My grandad on the other hand swore by a brandy each and every day, lived a long time as well.

As you said, what works for one might not work for the other Wish others would take that attitude instead of trying to force their way of living on another person.

Originally posted by mrmanuva
Yes his point about creatine is true, atp levels suffer without it. However it is certainly not true that it is only found it red meats, it is found in all meats and fish.


Yep i know, i also know cooking the meat or fish tends to seriously reduce it's creatine level as it breaks down rapidly. Have to love a bit of sushi.

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reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 03:24 PM by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by Cythraul


Read the points above about creatine. You are living in a modern society, this is posted in the survival forum. When faced with such situations the body needs animal proteins to run at peak performance. Without it your body shuts down, why do you think the army of the UK and the USA spent so much researching nutrition. If they thought veganism was more healthy they would force it on their troops.

They have to give them meat because under the heavy workload the body needs the protein and whislt you can get a very complete protein range from beans and other pulses. You have to eat wide and varied levels of foods to get the same as in meat and so it's harder to get.

Then there is the creatine arguement above, why don't you read it and reply, i'd be interested in hearing your view on it.

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reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 03:26 PM by mrmanuva
reply to post by Evil Genius


I think my point about vegans is valid, I think you just perhaps havent read up on their reasoning for things. For example, taking eggs from chickens doesnt hurt them, but the chickens that produce eggs are brought up in terrible conditions (especially battery hens) and arent allowed to live anything like a normal life.

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reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 03:26 PM by Wotan
reply to post by mrmanuva


In regard to fats.

Fat is one of the easiest of foodstuffs for the body to break down. The ''Perfect'' survival food is in fact Lard.

Vitamins A, D, E, and K are fat-soluble, meaning they can only be digested, absorbed and transported in conjunction with fats. Fats are also sources of essential fatty acids, an important dietary requirement.

Fats are vital in maintaining healthy skin and hair, insulating body organs against shock, maintaining body temperature and promoting healthy cell function. They also serve as energy stores for the body. Fats are broken down in the body to release glycerol and free fatty acids. The glycerol can be converted to glucose by the liver and thus used as a source of energy. Any excess energy is then stored in muscles.

Obviously, too much fat is NOT good for you.


reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 03:27 PM by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by pavil


I just wanted to say that the meat eating = big brains arguement, has come under heavy fire. I'm not convinced by it myself, and i'm speaking as a meat eater. I don't think we as meat eaters can use this argument in favour of being omnivorous.


Originally posted by cosmicstorm
my avatar doesnt look like someone ill or unhealthy... and ive never eaten meat


Forgive me for saying this, but for all we know you're plastered in makeup in that photo so it's hard to know if you're looking well or looking ill. It's true though that vegetarians and vegns look perfectly healthy to me when i've seen the and the stereotype of them looking sickely is wrong.

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reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 03:28 PM by Brothers
reply to post by Rasobasi420


I always thought that the Aussies ate more meat than the Americans. Either way humans eat meat for the protein value. That is why our ancestors did to get where we are today. Otherwise, we would still be primitive and brain not developed as it is today.


reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 03:34 PM by pavil
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984



I don't use it in the argument of humans being omnivores. Go take a look, Human brain sized did not majorly increase till we first started eating meat in addition to our diet. Primarily it was the marrow that we cracked out of bones of animals killed by other predators with our primative tool making.

A large brain requires a large amount of protein. The easiest source of large amounts of protein are in meat products for the most part.


reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 03:36 PM by Johnmike
Originally posted by mlmijyd
What insular ignorant dribble you do post and it smacks of typical defensive denial of the facts. So you too can have a read this is only one of many.

Vegan's and B12

Let me guess you probably would argue for being allowed to have guns also?




Buddy, I think you should have read that link before you posted it, because it disagrees with you. It also states (well, implies) that humans can't produce Vitamin B12 on their own, like you, through a great deal of ignorance, falsely stated. These yeast extracts are fortified with Vitamin B12. Like I said, yeast extract does not have Vitamin B12 unless it is fortified with it. that is, unless humans unnaturally add Vitamin B12.

The point of this thread is whether or not it is natural to eat animals. The fact that, if you don't eat dairy, eggs, or meat, all animal products, you will become deficient in Vitamin B12, shows that it is inherently unhealthy for a human to refrain from eating animal products. You can supplement it, through unnatural, man-made vitamins and supplemented foods, but the bottom line is that in nature, a human would become Vitamin B12 deficient without animal products.

And due to your son's vegetarian diet, make sure that you see a nutritionist to ensure that he is getting all the vitamins and proteins he needs. There are right ways to go vegetarian, and wrong ways to go vegetarian.

And I generally favor civilian ownership of firearms, though I have no idea how it has anything to do with this.

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reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 03:37 PM by AnOldFriend
reply to post by jfj123


I certainly agree and will and always have eaten meat. I am just saying that some peoples make up allows for less of certain things and more of certain things. So therefore some people might be able to eat only veggies and the like and be just as comfortable and able as a person who eats both veggies and meat.


reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 03:38 PM by mrmanuva
Originally posted by Wotan
reply to post by mrmanuva


In regard to fats.



Yes I know this, my knowledge of nutrition is beyond that of the average mans comprehension, due to being an avid bodybuilder and having been a vegetarian in the past. I take in as much fat as I need and from healthier sources than red meat. The body needs fat to function, but it does not need much saturated fat to be healthy, red meat and dairy are higher than many other sources, hence why I dont eat them. The average fat man with rather bad ldl readings is unlikely to be eating lot of grilled salmon and chicken, he is far more likely to be eating loads of red meat.

As for the digestion comment, I was not talking about fat being hard to digest, I was talking about the fact that red meat is harder to digest, courtesy of its nature of grissle and general toughness.


reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 03:48 PM by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by mrmanuva


Well i don't want to take the thread off topic but i'll say this. I think if soeity gave up red meats, stuck to poultry and fish then we'd be a lot better off. As you said red meat takes a while to digest, and lots of energy by the body to do so. It sits in the stomach a long time and contains high levels of bad cholesterol.

Whilst many people think it can be part of a balanced and healthy diet i tend to avoid it most of the time. The only time i do eat it is in certain dishes that pack it out with a lot of vegetables. Our ancestors often ate red meat but that was at a time before we understood it's damaged effects.

Poultry has all the benefits of red meats and very few of the drawbacks. Fish also are extremely good for you, providing high quality proteins and large amounts of quality, good fats. Fat has been demonised so much and yet good fats are essential!

However ina survival situation we must address bad fats. Bad fats give a very concentrated energy source, needed for the long haul to heat, insulate and power the body. In a survival situation, animal fat is your friend.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Exactly, i tired to point that out ina previous post, being called fanatical meat eaters is going to get everyones back up and i wouldn't do it in return to a vegetarian. That guy seems to be rather hypocritical.

I've had a few vegetarian friends and been called things like "corpse cruncher", it's never bothered me because they'll never stop me eating meat when i think it provides a good part of the diet if used correctly. However the need to force their beliefs on me is what always bothered me, and trying to throw in the guilt factor is a common tactic.

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