Thisreminds me of a survival story. A friend of mine was going to a survival class when they came to the part about preparing the kill a young woman stood up and said " I am sorry but I am a vegitarian and I would never kill an animal to survive." The instructor said thats fine if thats what you believe in but in the case of survival you will eventually have to kill something to survive. The woman disagreed and walked out. Four months later the instructor got a letter and he reads the letter to his classes before he starts the first class. The letter was written by the young lady that walked out of his class and thanked him for the training that she received in hunting.

She was a college student that took the class because she was going to do an expedition up north for school. The trip was only 4 weeks long and at the end of the trip she decided to stay an extra week and wait for the second plane to come pick up the equipment. The only problem is there was a nasty storm that kept any planes from coming back for 3 weeks. She was able to stretch the food for about a week and a half but after that she started to slowly starve to death. In the habitat she noticed that there was some rodents (probably rats) roaming around and digging in the trash. I'm not sure if this part of the story is true but she supposedly waited til one came close and then she snatched it up and killed it. I do know that she got better as she started to hunt the rats and although she didn't like the thought of doing it, her survival training had taken into effect. After spending a week and a half eating some rats, a marmot, and various other creatures she remembered a plane arrived expecting the worst and came to find her a bit malnurished but alive. The letter went on to say that while she did eat animals to survive thats all she did. She still is a vegatarian and doesn't eat meat unless she has to.

I love a bunch of vegatbles as much as vegan does, but I love the taste of a good cooked piece of meat as well. All in moderation is the key. We are omnivores, and our complex bodies need complex nutrition. So if you don't want to kill animals, fine just don't throw out the idea when you have to do it to survive.

-Aza

Firstly to say we were designed is a little off, I believe we evolved.
Second without the rich nutrition of meat in the diets of our distant ancestors, they would have spent much more time eating grass and stuff with very little nutrition. It is the spare time our ancestors had on their hands because of hunting nutritionally rich animals that has allowed time for free thought, for experimentation and recreation that sped our evolution ahead of the other primates, hence if humans never ate meat I seriously doubt we would be sitting in houses typing at computers interacting with people on opposite sides of the planet now and I do salivate when I think of eating my meat chickens but only when I am hungry, which most other meat eating animals are when they hunt, also I would imagine it was humans superior skill at hunting then farming which made it possible to only need to eat the best or most favored parts of the animals. The specialist roles in society such as butchers and bakers ect. led to any disconnect with killing and eating animals, as some of us do still produce and hunt most of our own food.

You know, it's interesting.
Some of the most biggest, strongest, most healthy animals are vegan.
Guess they secretly eat meat to survive?
Lol, I think not.

-Jimmy

Originally posted by jimmyjackblack
You know, it's interesting.
Some of the most biggest, strongest, most healthy animals are vegan.
Guess they secretly eat meat to survive?
Lol, I think not.

-Jimmy

You mean animals like the cow, which have a multi-sectioned stomach which they use to ferment food before regurgitating it and chew it again?

I think humans are just a touch ill-equipped to follow the cow's example.

well more like 400 lbs. but notice the huge saggital ridge on the gorilla? that's all muscle to crush the massively inefficient amount of plant matter they need to eat to stay alive. with our human population we'd deforest the entire planet if we needed to eat like they do to stay healthy.

we don't have that much muscle to mash leaves for 15 hours a day. it's unrealistic to think that we had evolved purely to eat only plants.

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You take offense to personal experience suggesting that a vegan diet leads to difficulty thinking and observations that suggest a reduction in mental focus and higher thinking in those who adhere to the diet?

The thing that I find funny is that vegans put a lot of time and effort into arguing about getting enough protein and B12 in their diet. What about quality, brain-building fats and oils? Fats and oils are hard to come by in the vegan diet and quality, brain-supporting oils are very expensive(flax and hemp oil and outrageously expensive).

In my experience, people who become vegan become more "spacey", less able to focus, and begin having simpler thoughts(emotional thinking and simple feelings instead of logical thoughts). That's great if you want to live in the trees and eat bananas all day but people like me would gladly kill and eat animals if it meant having the mental focus to engage in higher thought(like building the underground house and biology lab that I've always wanted).

The OP was pretty lame. We have more in common with herbivores? So what, we eat meat because we're omnivores and our bodies can support eating such things.

Personally, if I don't eat meat atleast every other day, I feel lacking.

I love meat; I would eat a hamburger with bacon, seasoned with chicken cutlets, and on a bun made out of beef-jerky if I could. Throw some of our ability to eat plants on it in the form of peppers, and it would be the best damn sandwich ever.

Mongolian tribesmen eat only meat. They are very healthy. They have evolved to be that way. Some races don't need much meat.

I don't think we were necessarily designed to eat meat, i believed we evolved into eating it. The so called "canines" in our mouth are there purely because they have evolved so we can have the possiblity of eating meat.

It seems plausible that the reason our ancestors ate meat was because of competition in the wild, competition from other species may be a key element of natural selection that has molded anatomy and behavior, which caused us to eat meat.

All these things however, don't make it morally right to eat meat, and I think it's high time people realised this.

Originally posted by jimmyjackblack
You know, it's interesting.
Some of the most biggest, strongest, most healthy animals are vegan.
Guess they secretly eat meat to survive?
Lol, I think not.

-Jimmy

Like Sharks and Lions? Maybe you're referring to Bears or Puma? Oh wait, I know... you are talking about the animsals that I eat... like cows!

Come on, they evolved herbivores. Humans have evolved as Omnivors- a scientific fact! This whole thread has been some vegan's pathetic attempt at imposing their [poor] diet choices upon others. If you don't wanna eat meat, then fine. That just leaves more for me!