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the natural adaptation for most (possibly all) humans in the modern world is a vegan diet.
If for any reason you choose not to use fortified foods or supplements you should recognise that you are carrying out a dangerous experiment - one that many have tried before with consistently low levels of success.
Originally posted by Shar_Chi
Hmm, I must remember to look under the bed for all my deficiencies, after 10 years of vego diet without any supplements they gotta be around here somewhere right?
Originally posted by caitlinfae
As a vegan/vegetarian of more then 20 years, I feel I have to chip in that, although the science bit may be important and correct in most cases, very few omnivores have perfect nutrition either, so to single out the vegan diet for criticism on this point is perhaps a little unfair.
I would hazard a guess that most omnivores are horribly deficient in more than one chemical.
Also, I see no understanding here of how our bodies and metabolisms may run differently on different fuels
...DeadFlagBlues maybe completely correct when he states that he has no deficiencies.
No-one knows how his system works, and it's really no-ones business.
Usually, the vegan lifestyle is adopted for ethical reasons, and in my book is beyond criticism for that very reason.
I also understand how we can come across as condescending or difficult or arrogant, but we are often challenged to a fairly severe degree over our beliefs and dietary habits, and it's difficult to separate from that sometimes.
It can and does make us defensive, and quite rightly. Personally, I'm sick of people who choose to give me a hard time over my diet, which is intensely important to me spiritually, as well as ethically (...this isn't aimed at you btw...not at all!...) just because they don't understand how creative it can be.
Vegetarianism or veganism doesn't ruin people's health in the way that more traditional carnivorous diets have been doing for centuries, or the way our modern processed junk diet does, and the level of vitriol aimed at us vegans simply isn't justified considering the general state of health of Joe Public in most developed countries.
Basically, I'm suggesting understanding rather than confrontation, from both sides.
Originally posted by caitlinfae
Deficiencies are not an exclusively vegan problem, and most vegans and vegetarians are really careful about their nutrition, in my experience.
The science bit can be argued back and forth for all eternity,
but until you have a person's bloodwork results infront of you, and know how to interpret them, there is nothing to say...it becomes a pointless and unproductive discussion.
The ethics and spirituality of veganism are much more engaging subjects to explore, but I think they scare the pants of omnivores...which is why we always end up bitching about the science stuff.
Originally posted by slackerwire
Uh, humans have canine teeth why then?
Humans are omnivores.