We Weren't Designed To Eat Meat, Here Is Proof, page 12

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

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The odd doctors that I have spoke with are from the Mayo Clinic, the UCSF, and Harborview in Seattle. The doctors I refer to our doctors that are the top people in thier field. I had astro cytoma of the brain and I have also and still do have cancer of the spinal cord. The doctors I refer to are my doctors that performed Brain surgery and the 5 man team of doctors that opened up my spinal cord and removed a cancer biopsy from my spinal cord, not the enduro but from the actual bundle of nerves in my spinal cord. That should tell you the stature of these doctors...They were not from my local nose bleed clinic. I wish that people who choose to debate a point would take more time to research so they can debate rather than just agrue a point.

reply to post by jalien

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Lets make something clear here, when meat is digested and broken down it doesn't smell great. When fruit and vegetables break down in the gut, they absolutely stink, if you have ever skinned a rabbit and nicked it's intestines you will know the true smell of digested matter, i can't describe it but it is hard to wash out your clothes i promise you.

If meat rots within a day then i am lucky to be alive as i've kept cold chicken for a couple of days to put on sandwiches. I do it quite regularly actually. I think the rotting meat recovered from patients as you describe is being misrepresented, it's simply food that's being broken down. Although technically any breaking down of food by bacteria is rotting, so it could be said all food that enters our gut is rotting including fruit and vegetables

How does a doctor define rotting meat in intestines? I would be interested to know. Because as i said, technically any food matter entering your digestive tract, being broken down by bacteria and enzymes is rotting, whether it's a slab of beef or an apple.

.They were not from my local nose bleed clinic. I wish that people who choose to debate a point would take more time to research so they can debate rather than just agrue a point.

My apologies i just wanted to see if you'd bite lol, i don't usually do that but you have been so condescending i thought it should be done. These doctors no matter what stature in their field are going against science. We have teeth designed to eat meat, enzymes in our bodies specifically designed to break down meat proteins and bacteria in our guts that thrive on meat.

[edit on 15-6-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

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I challenge you then to sit a plate of meat in the sun or at 98 degrees or greater somewhere exposed and let it sit for 24 hours then eat it...you trying to tell me that room temperature meat doesnt start to rot in 24 hours, little lone exposed to prior digestions that have already have the bacteria associated with rotting food which exists in your stomach and intestines.. Like I said before this has gone from a debate to someone just wanting to argure, place facts out there please Imagine instead of just trying to reduce this debate into an arguement. I believe that is the main problem with this forum, I should rephrase that, not the forum but the people whom you choose to debate in this forum. There are the ones who really want to debate facts and those who want to fight over opinions. Here is something to think about, would you sit and argue with a child over the patriot act. Of course not!! Why? More than likely the child has not read it and if he has he or she does not have the capacity to fully understand it. That to me is what I believe happens to most of the links here on ATS

As for the post after Imagine, I certainly agree that the higher protein levels jumped started the evolution of man, but thats not to say that if man had never eaten meat and cont. on as an agricultural society that grains with just as high as protien contect as meat would have been discovered and planted therefore jump starting the higher brain functions. There are plenty of grains and bugs with protien levels equal to that of red meat.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

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The problem is not with the food rotting or going bad inside your body, its the toxins given off while this process is happening. Meat gives of poisons unlike grains and vegtables. I am not sure about fruit. Its those poisons which are not good for your body. That once again is why a carnivorious animal has a shorter digestive track, its to get those toxins out of the body much quicker, also the harsher acids break the food down quicker. Although the harsher acids my be attributed to thier lifestyle of not knowing when the next meal is coming, so therefore the body needs to break the food down quicker and get the protiens into the body much quicker in case it has gone days without food. So the stomach acids is less conclusive than the digestive track.

Originally posted by jalien
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

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I challenge you then to sit a plate of meat in the sun or at 98 degrees or greater somewhere exposed and let it sit for 24 hours then eat it...you trying to tell me that room temperature meat doesnt start to rot in 24 hours, little lone exposed to prior digestions that have already have the bacteria associated with rotting food which exists in your stomach and intestines.. Like I said before this has gone from a debate to someone just wanting to argure, place facts out there please Imagine instead of just trying to reduce this debate into an arguement.

Don#t try turning this around you were the one who started the insults many pages back calling people ignorant. The test you give wouldn't be scientific now would it, a real test would involve a sealed system not something in direct sunlight. I noticed you skipped over the FACT that an breaking down of food could technically be called rotting. You skipped over the FACt that a rabbit, freshly cut open, if you nick it's intestine absolutely smells foul because of the digestive process and they are essentially fluffy versions of vegans. This smell could easily be misinterpreted of "rotting" food, although again technially it is rotted as it's being broken down.

Please provide a link about the rotting of food in intestines that surgeons have found so i can review it, you ask for facts but provide none of your own.

I think you are simply trying to down my points by saying i'm just trying to cause an arguement, i am not doing that i am trying to debate the issue the OP asked to be debated in regards to the forum we're in. That i believe is following the terms and conditions of the site.

Originally posted by joecamel
I believe that is the main problem with this forum, I should rephrase that, not the forum but the people whom you choose to debate in this forum. There are the ones who really want to debate facts and those who want to fight over opinions. Here is something to think about, would you sit and argue with a child over the patriot act. Of course not!! Why? More than likely the child has not read it and if he has he or she does not have the capacity to fully understand it. That to me is what I believe happens to most of the links here on ATS

And now you go way off ona rant about the people on ATs instead of teh issue at hand, further trying to discredit me instead of directly viewing my arguement and coming up with counter points and evidence. I honestly wanted to debate the issue, you are the one avoiding it so lets get back on topic shall we and stop this pettyness.

The original question was "Were we designed to eat meat?". The thread title stated we weren't and others have argued we were. My arguements are we have canine teeth, enzymes and bacteria to break down meat proteins specifically. There give me counter points for those so we can get back to the facts you love.

Originally posted by joecamel
As for the post after Imagine, I certainly agree that the higher protein levels jumped started the evolution of man, but thats not to say that if man had never eaten meat and cont. on as an agricultural society that grains with just as high as protien contect as meat would have been discovered and planted therefore jump starting the higher brain functions. There are plenty of grains and bugs with protien levels equal to that of red meat.

Actually i am not sure that meat protein encouraged the evolution of man. I've seen some solid arguements against that by very good scientists. I'm undecided on the issue, and no i'm not arguing for the sake of it as you'll probably accuse me of, that is a serious but unrelated point.

[edit on 15-6-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]

[edit on 15-6-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]

Originally posted by jalien
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

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The problem is not with the food rotting or going bad inside your body, its the toxins given off while this process is happening. Meat gives of poisons unlike grains and vegtables. I am not sure about fruit. Its those poisons which are not good for your body. That once again is why a carnivorious animal has a shorter digestive track, its to get those toxins out of the body much quicker, also the harsher acids break the food down quicker. Although the harsher acids my be attributed to thier lifestyle of not knowing when the next meal is coming, so therefore the body needs to break the food down quicker and get the protiens into the body much quicker in case it has gone days without food. So the stomach acids is less conclusive than the digestive track.

Ok you're going to have to provide evidence for that as well. Which poisons are you talking about here? Actually some vegetables can be very bad for you, anything from the nightshade family can increase inflammation, anyone with artritis should avoid tomatoes for example.

Carnivorous animals have shorter tracts because they don't need long ones anymore. When we were big into eating leaves and tons of highly insoluble fibre we needed very long tracts to break down the tough, double cell walls of plants. It has nothing to do with toxins and you're deliberatley misinterpreting the facts of science.

I've heard two main theories on stomach acid, one is that it breaks down food, the other is that it protects us from harmful bacteria.

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