"We'll bring a gun..." -Another Example of Obama's Poor Leadership, page 1
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Topic started on 15-6-2008 @ 09:18 AM by jamie83
This is what Obama said when talking about the upcoming campaign:

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. -Barack Obama

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Why is it that Obama talks in violent metaphors when discussing campaigning against a fellow American?

Sure, he's trying to show he's tough and he's going to stand up to attacks, but c'mon, what kind of example is that for somebody who wants to be the first black POTUS to set in the context of the inner city gang problems and shootings that are going on every day?

Just look at what's been going on in Washington D.C. Eight shootings in one night?

It's sad that Barry O. talks about bringing a gun when discussing campaigning against a fellow American, but wants to sit down and have tea with thugs like Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong-il.

To me, this specific rhetoric is way over the line and shows if nothing else Obama has terrible judgment. Of course this is just the latest in a series of examples of Obama's poor judgment and leadership. This isn't the type of example I think somebody wanting to lead the country should be setting, especially considering his position as a role model for young black's who idolize him.


reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 09:39 AM by FlyersFan
Pittsburgh Tribune

Obama is anti-second ammendment rights.

He also likes to talk tough - sound street tough or something stupid like that. (remember his 'warning' about discussing his wife? )

I've said it here before and I'll say it again - What Obama says with all his gun statements translates to - police are evil, racist, and fascist, but individuals cannot be trusted to protect themselves, either. (yes ... paraphrased from Michelle Malkin)



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reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 10:27 AM by FlyersFan
Obama wants to look like a street thug. Well .. for THAT audience he does anyways.

His new pastor,
Otis Moss III has a love affair with street thugs. He calls some of them ‘prophets’.

Obama changes accents and changes messages to fit the crowd he is pandering to. Black accents … white accents … street ‘lingo’

Jay-Z lyrics -
If you feelin’ like a pimp nigga, go and brush your shoulders off
Ladies is pimps too, go and brush your shoulders off
Niggaz is crazy baby, don’t forget that boy told you
Get, that, dirt off your shoulders

And then there’s Jay-Z’s lyrics - ‘stab the ladies, middle finger to the law’

Obama doing the shoulder brush off and the Wall Street Journal talks about it.

“Lately I’ve been listening to a lot of Jay-Z

Obama giving Hillary the finger … and yes, he knew what he was doing.

The Los Angeles Times talks about the mischievous smile he had after he did it.

He’s a Jay-Z fan But so are his 6 and 9 year old daughters. Heck of a thing to let children that age listen to those lyrics!!



[edit on 6/15/2008 by FlyersFan]


reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 11:11 AM by jamie83
Originally posted by grover
Oh please spare me will you... I swear I sometimes think some of you are just plain retarded... he was referring to not caving in like John Kerry did to dirty Rovian smear tactics but to fight back... as he should.


I already said in the OP what he was referring to. That's not the point. What he was referring TO has absolutely ZERO to do with his use of metaphors.

The issue here is whether it's good judgment and a display of quality leadership to intentionally use the "I'll bring a gun" metaphor, especially in light of his new found status as a role model in the black community, and especially considering the epidemic of shootings that are being committed in the black communities.

And it's total hypocrisy for Obama to have these issues listed on his web site:

* Address Gun Violence in Cities, more importantly,
* End the Dangerous Cycle of Youth Violence

and then use the "If you bring a knife I'll bring a gun metaphor."

Like I said, if nothing else, it's an incredibly poor display of judgment and leadership. And your explanation, that he is preemptively addressing "Rovian" attacks that exist only in his imagination right now makes this metaphor no less inappropriate.

How does he plan on ending the "cycle of youth violence" when he has a mindset of "I'll bring a gun if you bring a knife"?

Again, just another example of the gap between who Obama *REALLY* is, and who he says he is. Who Obama *REALLY* is becomes apparent every day. That's why he lost so big in middle America ever since people got a chance to see how he, and his wife, really think.


reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 12:56 PM by Hal9000
reply to post by jamie83


So how did you feel about George Bush's threatening rhetoric that he now wishes he didn't use? This is just an indicator of the atmosphere that is in Washington, and I agree, I wish it was not like that, but it is.

You know it's amazing. I am not pointing this directly at you, because I don't know if you are a republican. The republicans are the ones that usually support a strong defense... Why? Because we live in a dangerous world. How is this any different than that?

And yes, I agree, that this country is divided and it is probably due to following the example of our leaders. The only way to change that is to fight until you win, then you are able make the needed changes. I for one would immediately force those like Rush Limbaugh off the air who incite hatred on our air waves. The media is also at fault for this condition.

Edit to add: This is why I support Barak Obama, because he knows first hand that this country is divided, and I know if he is elected he will do what he can to change that. With John McCain, he will not be "allowed" to make these changes, and we will only continue with this madness.

[edit on 6/15/2008 by Hal9000]



reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 01:21 PM by jamie83
Originally posted by Hal9000

So how did you feel about George Bush's threatening rhetoric that he now wishes he didn't use? This is just an indicator of the atmosphere that is in Washington, and I agree, I wish it was not like that, but it is.


I have no idea what you're talking about. Please elaborate.


You know it's amazing. I am not pointing this directly at you, because I don't know if you are a republican. The republicans are the ones that usually support a strong defense... Why? Because we live in a dangerous world. How is this any different than that?



You're kidding, right? Obama saying he's going to "bring a gun" in relation to his campaign for POTUS has nothing to do with strong defense or living in a dangerous world.

In fact, Obama's language is the EXACT problem that CREATES a dangerous would. His implication is that it's ok to frame political differences in terms of a violent confrontation.


I for one would immediately force those like Rush Limbaugh off the air who incite hatred on our air waves. The media is also at fault for this condition.



I listen to Rush Limbaugh occasionally and I've never heard him incite hatred except hatred TOWARDS him by liberals who have a melt down when he criticizes liberals. Can you provide any quotes from Limbaugh that incite hatred?

You provide a great example of a typical liberal pattern. A liberal candidate is criticized for saying something incredibly inappropriate and stupid, and within a few paragraphs you blame George Bush, Republicans, and Rush Limbaugh for the liberal's idiotic comments.

What's really inexplicable is it was OBAMA who made the comment about "bringing a gun" and you want Rush Limbaugh taken off the air for inciting hatred.

Imagine it was actually the other way around. Imagine McCain or Limbaugh, in response to anticipating Obama's political attacks, would have said, "We'll if he brings a knife, we're going to be waiting for him with a posse and a noose." Or even if McCain would have said the EXACT thing Obama said about a gun, the liberals and Obama would be all over it demanding an apology.

The hypocrisy and rationalizations are stunning.


reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 01:50 PM by jamie83
Originally posted by SavageHenry


BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN.. (which this nation cannot afford to do)

Occupy Iraq for a 100 years!! or a Thousand!!? and as such it is not importaint as to when the troops come home..


Of course, you are completely wrong on this. Comparing McCain's rhetoric re Iran to Obama's rhetoric about "bringing a gun" to a Presidential campaign is completely off base. There is no comparison.




If McCain keeps using knives... Obama is going to use a gun,...How does that fail to make sense to you people???

Why is that so outrageous to even mention it?


For starters, you seem to be easily manipulated by the constant use of presuppositions in Obama's languaging. McCain hasn't used any knives. See? Obama created a false dichotomy right in front of your eyes to manipulate you with. Even worse, he created a false presupposition to play his false dichotomy against. It apparently worked.

1. McCain brings knives: FALSE PRESUPPOSITION

2. False Dichotomy: Either bring a gun to battle McCain's knives or be killed by McCain. FALSE DICHOTOMY

Second, for a candidate who's campaigning on ending the cycle of violence in inner city neighborhoods, it's moronic to turn around and say, "Well if he brings a knife, I'll bring a gun." See the incongruence there?



Its sad to say but you guys for all you don't know about his Magnificent Excellency Barrack Hussien Obama may peace be upon him,...You all know even less about John McCain.


Be careful not to spill the Kool-Aid on your keyboard. This thread isn't about John McCain. It's about Obama's incredibly idiotic comment and his total lack of leadership. If you want to enlighten us on McCain feel free to start another thread.
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