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Malik Obama Confirms Brother Barack Obama IS MUSLIM

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posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by Perplexed
We want that here in America? Who's being crass now?


Well I'd say you were.

In the terms you have couched it, you are implying that the man stands for all of that, without a shred of proof.

Doing that is playing on ignorance, and trying to use fear to propagate your belief, when in reality you actually have no proof whatsoever of what you claim about Obama, apart from what you think you know. There are billions of muslims on this planet and you seek to condem every single one of them.

Its propaganda. Its subversive and insipid. Its plain ignorant. And like I said, its rubbish.

[edit on 16/0608/08 by neformore]




posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 07:41 AM
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posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 07:50 AM
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Barrack Obama is a politician, we all know that politicians USUALLY do not make judgments based on their religion.

However, being a Muslim will hurt Obama's campaign.

Yet, if Americans learn from their past mistakes, then McCain would lose and Obama would be the new president.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 08:02 AM
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"Any questions of this guys motivations are called racist."

I can't see anyone saying you're racist. I certainly didn't. If your argument was racist I could understand it, people have prejudices, it's human nature, If you said "I don't like Obama because I think he's a Muslim and he's black" That would be fine.

If you think he's a Muslim that's your right. He's not by the way, but if youwant to think he is then by all means.
And I certainly can't dispute that he's black.

So If you want to tell people not to vote for him because you think he might be a Muslim and he's black go for it.

What I think people are objecting to is :

1: He isn't a Muslim, so people are having a hard time figuring out why you are so adamant he is one.
2: If he is one you seem to think that once in power he'll be able to change the entire socio-polictical status of the country and turn it into a Sharia based dictatorship which is clearly impossible.

No one would mind if you were just basing all this on the fact that you're a racist. I wouldn't necessarily like you as a person but I could understand why you had such conviction in your arguments.

What people mind is that you're claiming to form a well reasoned / educated opinion of the guy when clearly you just don't like his faith ( whatever that is ) / skin.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 08:15 AM
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"we all know that politicians USUALLY do not make judgments based on their religion. "

It's a sad fact that Both Britain and the UK have both spent the last few years under the leadership of two people who were clearly unfit for office purely because they believe in all that christian nonsense. Seriously, Believing in God is from all objective psychological perspectives clearly a mental illness or at least a dangerous fantasy. Do we honestly want anyone in control of the country who doesn't believe in evolution ? who thinks the planet is 6000 years old ? Why not put some mumbling idiot who thinks he's Elvis in charge.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 08:41 AM
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Why do you think he has to lie. Let's say an Atheist ran for president. He could be the most qualified person in the world yet he would not get elected because you have to cater to the religious idiots in this country. Most politicians use religion as a tool and they really don't believe in it. As for Obama is he was he would have to lie about it because of the Hate in this country for anyone who does not believe that Jesus is our Lord and Savior.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by neformore
Simple question. What difference does it make if he is, or isn't?


The fact that he LIED about something does.




Since when does any candidate or incumbent for that matter lying on any matter substantive or inconsequential mean anything at all?
When American lives are at stake?
When we are going to war?
When civil liberty's are removed?
Current conditions simply prove lies can become Policy..no matter how many people know otherwise.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:17 AM
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Maybe the insinuation is that Obama has ties to powers and institutions that have or have had agendas that directly call for a revolution and reorganization of the staus quo.
Maybe he hopes for a growth in African and African-derived influence in geopolitics. Many influential and smart people of black African descent are Muslim.
Well, there are large numbers of people in the US that understandably support these agendas.

So what? He represents the interests of millions worldwide. As already stated, the man is forced to act like a good ol' boy to even get air time in the US.

YES! Something is wrong, but it ain't Obama!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:31 AM
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Even if all of Obama's dreams come true people in North America aren't suddenly going to adopt radically conservative Islam as the law of the land.

How/why would this happen? Believe me, there are millions of guys out there that would like somebody to try something like that. Then they'd have an excuse to test their gun collections and home-grown training.

Also, there are some US urban areas that might actually benefit from some Islamic law, particularly when the civic powers withdraw financial rewards for reproduction by individuals below the poverty line.

I have no use for Muslim faith-based law, but one of the reasons why many of those faith-based laws are so hard on females is for population control. One slut can bring forth many hungry mouths. Men don't bear children.
****I don't agree with the methods, of course. Educating females reduces population growth, not violence and repression.
But I'm also sure women under these conditions learn to cover themselves and fear men appropriately. Men are pigs. I know. I'm one of them.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by jetxnet

Barack Obama’s half brother claims that his brother, Democrat Presidential candidate Barack Obama, was raised as a Muslim. Contrary to the Obama campaign’s assertions otherwise. Malik says he will make a good president despite his Muslim upbringing.

Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack grew up a Muslim.



web.israelinsider.com...


[edit on 15-6-2008 by jetxnet]



Isn't the title of this thread Malik Obama Confirms Brother Barack Obama IS MUSLIM ?

Doesn't the article say that he WAS RAISED Muslim?
I WAS a Catholic once, when I was a child.

If someone would tell that I AM a Catholic, they would be a liar.

I think you've confused the past and present tenses, sir or madam.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by DaTruth
Why do you think he has to lie.


There is no .. 'he has to lie'.

Sure, there are people in this country who won't vote for someone if that person is a muslim. That's their right. I don't agree with it .. but that's their right.

Obama has NO RIGHT to lie to people in order to get votes. None.
No politician does. The potential POTUS must be upfront with everything.
Even if it costs them votes.


Originally posted by SUNRAY06
Since when does any candidate or incumbent for that matter lying on any matter substantive or inconsequential mean anything at all?

Since that candidate claims to be Mr. Change.
Since that candidate claims to be doing politics 'not the old corrupt way'.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by ATruGodIf he lies about something as simple as his upbringing or his religion can he really be trusted with our Country?


What does it say about your country if he has to lie about his religion in order to be electable?

Riddle me that.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 10:32 AM
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posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 10:46 AM
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posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 10:52 AM
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"It is the duty by Mohamed to convert everyone, I mean everyone on earth to Islam or kill them as the enemy or jihad"

That's just a shocking bastardization of the teachings of Mohammed.
Nearly every religion on the planet somwhere in their religious textx states that it is the only true religion and it's the duty of it's followers to convert everyone. Christianity states quite plainly that everyone has to be converted to it and if you don't you're going to hell.
Anyone ( christian, Muslim, whatever ) who decides to follow a theology literally is going to find themselves converting, murdering and stoning to death any one who doesn't agree with their position.

The fact is that Islam is No better or worse than any other religion. There are perfectly well socialised friendly Muslims out there who practice their faith without bothering with the fire and brimstone passages, Just like I'm sure there are plenty of people who consider themselves christians and are disgusted by Fred Phelps and his cronies literal take on the bible.

You can't define a religion by it's worst examples.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by neformore
What all this boils down to, really is this.

The US government and media has spoon fed the general populace so much anti-muslim propaganda that a large section of society over there now appears to be incapable of differentiating between normal everday people and homicidal maniacs.

Muslim has become the new "scare" word - much like communism was in the 50's. Its a new McCarthy era. People have fallen for it hook line and sinker.

And those that oppose Obama as a candidate appear to be so scared that he's going to win, or so desperate to smear the guy in whatever way they can that they are milking that paranoia for all its worth.

You can make a fairly good case to say that the Bush administration lied through its teeth to justify the invasion of Iraq. Because of that 5,000 US service personnel are dead, hundreds of "coalition" troops are dead and the civilian death toll may well be in the hundreds of thousands. And yet people would rather make an issue out of someones supposed religion, and ask if they are fit to run a country because of it.

Thats crass hypocrisy.



His personal religion is of no interest to me, if not for the entire middle east agenda, if not for Canada playing around with Sharia law in family court, which has been blocked for now, but its a very slippery slope for not only the muslim women who have managed to escape that particular horror here, but for all women in the end. Not only is it of prime concern, that any leader may not only profess a certain faith, but that he might actually not operate with due separation of Church and state, something to think of when electing so-called "Christian" leaders as well. However, all the leaders and those running seem to have a variety of things in common, especially bloodline. Which means 13 families, and not all Christian North Americans, but some related to the Black Pope, though all intermarried surprise, surprise, are of major concern to everyone in North America. As to Obamas relation with Sharia: www.rense.com...
"
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT
EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting
to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first
widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American
but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your
half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your
New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out
the following link for verification of that....and for more.

Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and
tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the
elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned
men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took
shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here
started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to
know
the truth. " this would be a pretty important indicator that perhaps Obama is not going to be such a good choice. However, Christian and Muslim faiths are really the games these wolves play with the people, they are pretty much 33degree Freemasons and their Bloodlines should really open our eyes to the possibilities. It really is time for people to get smarter than the political system, because the agenda facing us is not pretty.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Perplexed

the real problem with Obama isn't that he was muslim way back when, or that he studied Islam as a child. The problem is that he LIED about it. This makes him just like every other politician - a liar. No change/hope/unity.



If we are going to accuse the man of lieing about this issue in big CAPITAL letters then let's get exact and precise and stop trying to distort the truth or take advantage of fear or ignorance...let's get down to facts.

Let me see if I can talk your language...
HE HAS NOT LIED. THIS IS DISTORTING THE FACTS. PROPAGANDA designed to convince peopel that won't read beyond a headline.

Obama lived in Indonesia as a child, from 1967 to 1971, with his mother and stepfather and has ACKNOWLEDGED attending a Muslim school, but it was NOT A MADRASSA.

According to a CNN reporter who went to Indonesia and investigate the claims...the school at the time included "Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school"

Obama WROTE IN HIS BOOKS "Dreams From My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope," that he spent two years in a Muslim school and another two years in a Catholic school while living in Indonesia from age 6 to 10.

WHERE HAS HE LIED? I can clearly see where the truth has been trampled throughout these posts, I don't see where Obama lied about being a Muslim? He went to a Liberal Muslim school for two years as a CHILD and discusses it in detail in books and interviews.

Declaring him a Muslim and a liar is pure fear mongering and propaganda. Examine the FACTS.

By the way...the origin of the Muslim rumor....Insight magazine, Moon's unification church propaganda rag. This man has declared himself god incarnate and said he wants to see the UN as a theocratic ruling power over the entire world. GOOGLE "source, muslim rumor Obama" Wikipedia Insight Magazine.

BTW the man who started the middle name Mohamed rumor is a man who thinks the NFL is a cover for a satanic organization...yes the National Football League. Every time these rumors are follwed to their source and fact checked you find people without a shred of evidence scurrying under rocks hiding from the light.

OBAMA NEVER LIED ABOUT THIS. HE ATTENDED A MUSLIM SCHOOLS FOR TWO YEARS AS A CHILD AND WROTE ABOUT IT IN TWO BOOKS.

HE IS NOT A MUSLIM.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 11:32 AM
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Our government may on the surface seem to oppose the human rights violations of Fundamentalist Islam, but the reality is the reasons for activity in the middle east are a part of the PTBs agenda to decimate that area for oil and strategy, as well as its main purpose, to depopulate the human race, so a nuclear exchange with Iran, Israel, China, Russia is actually one of their main goals, and is the reason they have spent so many trillions of dollars establishing underground facilities for those who have their shiny tickets out of dodge, all of which is easy to google. In reality, nwo would very much support Sharia law and its massive oppression of peoples freedoms (especially religious) and equality of their women spreading everywhere.
Sharia law: www.cbc.ca...
INDEPTH: ISLAM
Shariah law: FAQs

www.nosharia.com...

International Campaign Against Shari'a Court in Canada
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Attention: Assignment Editor, City Editor, News Editor, World News Editor, Government/Political Affairs Editor

The coordinator of International Campaign against Sharia Court in Canada opposes religious schools being incorporated into the public system.

"We declare that the rights of the child should take precedence over any national, racial, economic, political, ideological, and religious consideration or interest; Complete separation of religion from education; the State is obliged to ensure a uniform school system for all children under the age 18; No one has the right to prevent the child from all norms and standards and it is the duty of the State to protect the universal rights of the children; no one has a right to segregate children and place them under religious dogmas, traditions and habits; no one has a right to prevent the child from participating in social and leisure activities and prohibiting them from participating in dancing, singing, playing an instrument." We therefore call on the Ontario Provincial Government not to violate the rights of the child. The time has never been more right than today as we call for one secular school system
for all children and no funding for any faith-based schools."


brain-terminal.com... -- a 16 year old girl murdered by her father under sharia law in Canada.


www.westernresistance.com...

Canada's Sharia Law - Problems and Protests


Britain is now dealing with Sharia law as well: www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3504234,00.html - 40k

shariahfinancewatch.wordpress.com... law-to-britain/



youtube watch?v=GfsJljerBhk This is a very good video to explore just what it seems we are being coaxed into facing.

youtube watch?v=7DqDm5bA88g. The Roses of Iran. The most beautiful experience of those who have risked life and limb to establish freedom from this dark age of oppression.

In view of what seems to be seeping into our own nations, and what the real purpose is, to enslave and even reduce the populations. And the fact that nwo order is established as simply as a google search on the interconnected bloodlines of all leaders: Bush, Clinton, Obama. And check out the Rockefeller ties. 13 familiy bloodlines.


The Roses of Iran and the current plan to send this world back to the dark ages, should make anyone who supports their government into war with the middle east, start to think seriously how to loose the bonds of the 13 bloodlines, establish true democracy and help support the people in the middle east and Iran to be free (ie. separation of state and religion, and equality for all its peoples.) If you think NWO agenda isn't complete suppression of female energies you're terribly mistaken. Obama seems to be well-positioned by certain people to enforce our slide into this horrific state ourselves.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 11:33 AM
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Is it bad to study ISLAM ? what do you want to proove ?
Can Religion make the Personality of somebody ?
Would you like me to give you many example of Political poeple who was miserable



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by metatronscube
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Ok, so the law says he has to be killed by Islam law if he converts to another religion...so? That doesn't mean someone is going to be able to do anything about it. That isn't a law here. He is free of religious persecution here.

I'm not even a Barack supporter and I don't understand why this matters. He was born Muslim and then converted to Christianity...I see no issue with this.

[edit on 15-6-2008 by metatronscube]


Already allownaces are being made in this country to accomodate Muslims. Muslim boys now are allowed time out of school, during school hours, for prayer and facilities are being made available on school grounds with rugs to allow for their prayer time. This is already happening here in Dallas.

Nevermind the whole separation of church and state thing, if these were Christians looking to congregate on school grounds they would be forced off campus and told to do it on their own time.

So where does it stop? As Muslims become more and more prominent in this country so do their laws. As more and more Muslims gain power of our senate and house our laws will change to reflect THEIR culture. Pretty soon killing under the apostacy law MAY be allowable.

We have a lot more to worry about than Muslim extremists. We have to worry about those who would refuse to integrate into American society and instead insist America bends to the will of Islam. I can see Obama as being the start of that whole movement if he is elected. So yes, I fear Obama getting into office for that reason among may others.






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