He showed in interest in discovering where his people came from when he became an adult. He visited and acted respectfully, while he took in the local culture.

If he discovered that they were cannibals while he was there, and if he were horrified by what he saw, but remained polite. Would that in your opinion make him a cannibal?

I have looked up the Kenya documentation for myself and found nothing but the worst kind of lying propaganda hate sites.

You should be ashamed if you choose to believe such drivel. It shows a lack of effort, or a lack of judgement.

I don't particularly like Obama for president, he's said a lot of things that I don't agrre with. Over all, he really makes me think of a black Jimmy Carter really, a idealist. That's not a bad thing, sure, but it's not what we need right now.

But as for wether or not he's Muslim? Sheesh, after all the burning he's gotten due to his preacher, heck, let him be Christian for all I care. First he reminded me off Jimmy Carter, now this whole bickering about religion is reminding me a good bit of JFK's campaign.

Obama dropped Rev. Wright, a Christian man who has been his mentor for many years, like a hot cake. This seemed to be the right choice to many people, but Christians know that they are to continually guide each other along their Christian walk. While Obama rightly did not condone the Reverend's behavior, he never publicly stated he prayed for and forgave his mentor; setting an example for all to see. This would have shown his true strength and dedication as a Christian man. While Obama shows strength as a political man, one could assume he lacks the courage and strength of a Christian man. As far as I know, Obama has yet to honor Jesus Christ publicly for all his blessings during this election in any way.

Having said that, what's to stop him from converting to Islam and going public about it once he becomes president of the U.S? If this happened, this could make people feel very nervous in light of all the terrorist activity caused by Muslim religious extremist which has been going on as of late, especially since 9-11. (This has nothing to do with any personal prejudice of mine, it is what something like this would represent in the minds of "others")

Also, as was already mentioned in this thread, once someone converts to Islam, there is apparently no turning back according to the The Hadith:

Muslim 623 The Prophet said: "It is not permissible to take the life of a Muslim except in one of the three cases: the married adulterer, a life for a life (if the person is Muslim), and the deserter of Islam."

Bukhari 9:89:271 A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism Mu'adh said: "I will not sit down unless you kill him as it is the verdict of Allah and His Apostle"

Bukhari 4:52:260 Ali burnt some people (Zanadiqa, atheists 9:84:57) although the Prophet had said, "Don?t punish anybody with Allah's punishment (Fire)" if a Muslim discards his religion, kill him"

So...if Obama were to convert to Islam during presidency or practiced Islam long ago, there would be no turning back regardless of being an 'American free to choose what ever religion one wishes', because of the highly visible position of presidency.

And...if Obama has secretly been practicing Islam all along but has publicy been showing he is a Christian to get the "vote", it could mean that he has ties to terrorists with schemes of seeking revenge for ethnic, cultural and religious reasons, starting an all out war unlike any other ever documented, with the American people who are not Islamist, at their mercy.

Maybe then, looking at Blackwater and what the Bush administration put into effect would start looking like a tall and frosty glass of ice water in the middle of a hot, barren desert.

Man, if this was really a story, McCain would be shouting this from the top of his lungs. And he wouldn't need any kind of slur campaign to do it.


But you know what...


He isn't.


So why are you?

[edit on 15-6-2008 by Quazga]

Originally posted by RuneSpider
I don't particularly like Obama for president, he's said a lot of things that I don't agrre with. Over all, he really makes me think of a black Jimmy Carter really, a idealist. That's not a bad thing, sure, but it's not what we need right now.

But as for wether or not he's Muslim? Sheesh, after all the burning he's gotten due to his preacher, heck, let him be Christian for all I care. First he reminded me off Jimmy Carter, now this whole bickering about religion is reminding me a good bit of JFK's campaign.

Very good point about JFKs campaign!

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a religious person. I don't know much about religion and frankly don't care. But at the same time, I see nothing wrong with religion and I'm not going to go and bash anyone who choices to believe in which ever God and which ideologies they so choose, because I feel it's really none of my business.

However, it's threads like these that make me wonder if religion does more harm than good. Instead of arguing the candidates on their political philosophies, we get threads about so and so worshiping this God or being of this religion and this other guy grew up as this, but now he says he's that, but is he really?

It amazes me how childish and petty people can be in the name of religion..

Originally posted by ATruGod
If he lies about something as simple as his upbringing or his religion can he really be trusted with our Country?

Can you prove that he lied? If someone is willing to make him look like a liar to make the other party look good, what's that say about the other party?

Just because he wore his traditional Kenyan garb for a wedding, doesn't make him a Muslim.

To be Muslim, you can't say you aren't.

Obama Bama Bim Bam Obama! Bama!

Ok so does this source really have any credibility? Have we established that?

Remember H. Ross Perot? Remember how big his ears were? Obama reminds me of H. Ross Perot, except for the fact he is a compulsive liar and a "user" of people. Remember, he threw away his reverend, his church, his grandmother, his Muslim heritage; all these people are disposable because he wants to get elected. I don't like him. He's trash. Big talker, no action. If this was high school I'd beat him up for being so slimy.

I have to agree. It is lame how he has "Help victims of the Midwest Floods" now, and then has some pictures of him shoveling once or twice.

He sure works hard to come across as a good guy, but he won't insult my intelligence with such lame attempts.