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9/11; what are we gonna do?

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posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 06:50 PM
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Yeah but that many commercial jets AT THE SAME TIME?! and for their first real life attempt how perfect could it be? i dont buy it....




posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 06:55 PM
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okay it does look like a controlled demolition. However that video edits out the first 8 seconds. That is why i gave a link to the full video. It shows the penthouse collapsing into the building a few seconds before the whole building collapses. My point is, the video the conspiracy people show makes it look like a controlled demo. However when you watch a different angle and the WHOLE video it clearly shows the building wasnt demolished by explosive. It was a natural collapse. Yea, and btw, i am not a shill. I would just like to see some facts not cuts of video. Why would all these sites leave one of the most important parts of WTC7 out. Why do they not show the top of the building collapsing into itself, then two or three seconds later the whole building collapses. Are you sasying they started the demo on the top of the building. then waited two seconds and demod the rest of the building



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 07:02 PM
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I wasn't going to post here but what I see is very unsettling from any viewpoint. If the OP is suggesting some sort of overt action be taken against the 'villians' as accused in youtube productions - well this is very dangerous talk indeed.

I'd encourage everyone taking this seriously to step back a long long way and take a very long hard look at what's going on. Just consider who's most likely being manipulated here.



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by v4vendetta
reply to post by tide88
 


Yeah but that many commercial jets AT THE SAME TIME?! and for their first real life attempt how perfect could it be? i dont buy it....

three out of four is far from perfect, and i believe the pentagon was a second target. As far as steering the planes anyone with flight simulator experience could do it. And they were supposedly all trained. Now taking off and landing is a completely different thing.



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by tide88
pull it means pull the fire fighters out of building 7. not pull as in start the demolition. This has already been proven. but then again you are just believing what you want.

It's already been proven?
By who?

Let's examine your "believing what you want" theory.

First of all, what makes you think Larry Silverstein had any authority to give orders to FDNY firefighters, especially when he was sitting at home? How gullible do you have to be to think that Larry "pull it" Silverstein had ANYTHING to do with firefighting efforts that day?

Secondly, firefighters are not "it." Firefighters would be "them."

Finally, there were NO firefighters to be pulled. There hadn't been any in WTC 7 since 11am that morning.

I thought there was hope for you after you realized that WTC 7 was an obvious controlled demolition. But believe what you want. Whatever makes you feel better.



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 07:16 PM
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Its always makes me laugh when sheeple support the official story because it is so silly to think that arabs from caves, well actuality from Saudi Arabia not Afghanistan made buildings defy the laws of physics and fall at free fall speed like there was no resistance even though the impact was at the top of these massive buildings.

I tell ya Einstein would want to meet them because not only is Al "CIA"DA capable of altering the natural laws of the universe but they can even drop Building 7 without even hitting it AND blow out the lobbies of 1 and 2 even though the elevators where hermetically sealed.

Listen 9/11 was a false flag in the same vein as Operation Northwoods which was a similar plan written up over 40 years ago, officially. The event was and is being used constantly to justify just about everything that is happening today. Loss of civil liberties, pre-emptive wars and an enemy that can never actually be killed so we will have eternal conflict.

At this point its doesn't matter because CNN had a poll 2 years ago and 70% of the people didn't believe the official story and that was 2 years ago so anyone who believes the official story no matter how many handles you post under i know and plenty of others know that you are in the minority.

The NWO are all inbred and psychotic so eventually they will kill each other in my opinion. This life is only one existence and everyone who aids in these criminal acts will answer for them eventually if not in this life it will be in the next. 9/11 WAS A FALSE FLAG and the good will prevail in the end mark my words


Here is Operation Northwoods Wiki entry
Operation Northwoods Wikepdia




3. A "Remember the Maine" incident could be arranged in several forms: a. We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba. b. We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from the air or sea, or both. The presence of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The nearness to Havana or Santiago would add credibility especially to those people that might have heard the blast or have seen the fire. The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.


There we go folks. Game set match


[edit on 15-6-2008 by Beefcake]



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 07:19 PM
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www.youtube.com...
Sorta long, but the logic and evidence is UNDENIABLE

[edit on 15-6-2008 by sobek52]



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 07:20 PM
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The FIRECHIEF gave the order. Read the article.



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 07:21 PM
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Those extra 8 seconds show a top left portion of the building collapsing. Are you claiming these extra 8 seconds are conclusive proof it wasn't a controlled demolition? A top left section of the building appears to collapse and then 8 seconds later the whole thing comes down on it's own footprint, but because the top left section went it's conclusive it's not controlled? Are you saying that if you'd have watched that video on it's own without any outside influence you would have known it wasn't controlled?

I think you've watched that video after a segment which says that the top left portion of the building has fallen because of a truss rod failure. So you have been pre-set to think a certain way. This is evidenced by you seeing a separate video which doesn't make that claim and then stating it is a controlled demolition. This shows that you are being manipulated by what you're watching (and yes, the same can be said for those who believe 9/11 was an inside job, but I can only speak for this instance).

I should also point out that the video you cite states that 25% of WTC 7 was scooped out during the collapse of WTC 1 & 2. There is no photographic proof of this given, it only cites the NIST report. See the separate threads on the NIST report to see how "accurate" it can claim to be.

[edit on 15-6-2008 by Alethia]

[edit on 15-6-2008 by Alethia]



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by sobek52
www.youtube.com...
Sorta long, but the logic and evidence is UNDENIABLE


Loose Change is such a lightenning rod and will just spark debunkers it is foolish imo to post a loose change video and not to mention you posted the forst one LOL which even the creators didn't like.

OPERATION NORTHWOODS:




3. A "Remember the Maine" incident could be arranged in several forms: a. We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba. b. We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from the air or sea, or both. The presence of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The nearness to Havana or Santiago would add credibility especially to those people that might have heard the blast or have seen the fire. The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.


Wiki Operation Northwoods

They already wrote about what they would do LOL here is the proof that they are capable of it and that it was written up formally.

If you want to post Loose change stuff post Loose Change Final cut the 3rd edition don't post the first one good lord what a fail.



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 07:27 PM
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It wasnt a free fall. Some pictures clearly show debris falling faster than the building itself. If it was a free fall everything would fall at the same rate. But believe what you all want. It really doesnt matter to me. I was just trying to point out some facts that have disputed the conspiracy theories. But I guess it is fruitless, because we can argue all day. when I show you evidence of the contrary, you will just move on to something else. And I am not going to waste my time argueing with you all. Go to www.debunking911.com... Read if you are really interested in knowing what another side thinks. This is like an Al Gore or michael moore movie. And I dont want to watch it anymore



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by v4vendettaMany years have passed, and still nothing...
What grinds my gears is that it seems 'they' are getting away with it.
If anybody has any suggestions on what can be done, please share.
Maybe, we can set up some sort of networking petition, using sites like this, with like minded people. What radio stations in america are truly on the 'left'? Maybe we can focus our energies on getting more coverage.
I know that all ideas must already be exhausted by now but something dead serious has to be done. Any suggestions are welcome...


v4vendetta,

Your frustration is understandable. However there is nothing you or any of us can do to change the 'status quo'. Very powerful forces -- interest groups -- are at work here. 9-11 was carried out for Israel and for our U.S. strategic energy 'planners'. Israel wants to freely further its ethnic cleansing of indigenous Palestinian populations and national security strategists are desperately looking for new sources of oil (Iraq happens to have the second largest easily pumpable reserves, right after Saudi Arabia).

If you understand that our entire world is based on that one thing, oil, then you can perhaps make some personal adjustments and preparations for a rapidly approaching time where this gooey resource will be in short supply. Our world population is approaching 7 billion not because of our clever inventions and advances in medicine, but because we 'goosed' our food production with, yes you know what, fossil fuels, and petroleum in particular. To produce one calorie of food it takes ten calories of external energy input (not counting the sunlight needed for photosynthesis). Which is why this ethanol fuel craze is the stupidest thing ever. Sure it seems to work in the short run -- because farmers here are being subsidized with money (and energy). And in places like Brazil, where they're tourching the ancient rain forests for short-lasting no-topsoil croplands. We're going nowhere with this ethanol concept. But hey, just watch the price of gas and you'll understand that food based fuels are absurd and won't work.

Sorry about the digression, but understand this, but we cannot change the direction we're moving in. It's human nature that's in the driver's seat. And there's no stopping that!

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 07:36 PM
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The reason the debris on the outside of the building(s) is falling faster than the building(s) is because there are floors, with air between them. The debris does not have this resistant force...given this information calculated in, that is why it is still referred to as freefall speed...



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by tide88
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It wasnt a free fall. Some pictures clearly show debris falling faster than the building itself. If it was a free fall everything would fall at the same rate. But believe what you all want. It really doesnt matter to me. I was just trying to point out some facts that have disputed the conspiracy theories. But I guess it is fruitless, because we can argue all day. when I show you evidence of the contrary, you will just move on to something else. And I am not going to waste my time argueing with you all. Go to www.debunking911.com... Read if you are really interested in knowing what another side thinks. This is like an Al Gore or michael moore movie. And I dont want to watch it anymore


Explain Building 7 and explain Operation Northwoods i don't need to read a 3rd debunking site that is paid for by the exact same people did the black OP.

OPERATION NORTHWOODS yall explain it away. BUILDING 7 explain it. NWO f@cked up and its been exposed so forget the strawmen arguements the official documents are online for everyone to see

Quote from Northwoods:




3. A "Remember the Maine" incident could be arranged in several forms: a. We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba. b. We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from the air or sea, or both. The presence of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The nearness to Havana or Santiago would add credibility especially to those people that might have heard the blast or have seen the fire. The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.


Go ahead justify it stop quoting Popular Mechanics BS and address the official documents. Only dis info agents have the time to post endlessly untill eventually its just endless pages of debunking so I'll just post Northwoods again later on to remind people in case the dis info has buried the real info. 9/11 was a false flag end of story and plain as day.



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 07:52 PM
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Can we please limit these post, there seems to be one right after another,,,IF ATS ADMIN IS READING THIS CAN WE PLEASE PUT A STOP TO THESE ANNOYING POST, I BELIEVE THERE IS ONE ORGANIZATION BEHIND THEM TRYING TO SUBLIMINALLY PUSH THIS TOPIC..CAN YOU PLEASE INVESTIGATE WHY THE MASSIVE OUTBREAK OF 9/11 CONSIPIRACIES AND WHY THEY ARE MAKING IT TO THE FRONT PAGE CONTINUALLY. I have noticed it seems to be the same people over and over again



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 08:32 PM
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Deny ignorance without crying...



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 08:56 PM
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I think the way to go for the truth movement is to focus more on building 7 and norads failure to intercept the planes. I've noticed in all the debates that the people that follow the official story tend to avoid these topics. Force them on them. People will see that they cannot explain them and that the conspiracy theorists might be right



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 09:54 PM
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The only "true" way to resolve this matter,is to have a new independant investigation,period.
One that wont get stone walled by the president of the United States.
One that allows the investigators access to all the documents.
One the gets ALL the camera footage from the surrounding area of the Pentagon.
One that explains away WTC 7.
One that tracks down who profited from all the put options during the insider trading on 9/11.
No matter what you believed happened on 9/11,everyone can at least agree that there are plenty of unanswered questions.
That being said,it definately warrants a new investigation.
Afterall,if theres nothing to hide,then there shoud be no arguments against a new investigation.
Ever wonder why more money was spent trying to figure out if Bill Clinton got a BJ,than what was spent investigating the worst tragedy in U.S history?



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 10:14 PM
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i want to say something to all the people that in here argueing that there is no way that our government and its officals would or could decieve us in this way. i think that people seem to forget that everyone including the people running are country are humans. Lying, backstabbing doingwhat is best for you and your own humans. All the way from elementry school thru high school to the job you have. that is the nature of people. we lie to get what we want, to stay out of trouble, or to be evil and vinditive. thing of this little bit of fact. if you ggole army running out of money, you will see that the government is trying to scare the demecrats into funding another of bushes blank checks for iraq by claiming that if they dont the soldiers will not revieve pay in june 08. if that is the case why is this not national news. because i am a us soldier and if i did not get paid i would walk awy from the army contract or not as will every person in my unit. that is just the people i know imagine all of the soldiers in the world. we would be defenseless. why is this not national news. simply because someone wink wink does not want the general public to know about it. my fellow soldiers didnt know about it until i told them then had to google it to believe me. also did you know that nearly the entire iraq government that we help set up wants us to get out of there country. another story that is not national news. they are fighting with us about when and how we should leave and give there country to them. they ask us to begin to step aside and let them take control of most of the situation over there and our leaders tell them no. when did iraq become a state in our union that we can decide when thay are ready to take control. so much for iraq being a democracy. once again why is this not national news. wink wink the management failed us again. all i am saying about this whole situation is that in my army career a will try to do everything to make sure that i have the best future i can and if that means steping on a few toes, kissing a little but, and maybe a lie here or there i will. and the guy who sent us to iraq and is about to be a regular civilian again soon is a oil tycoon and guess where all the money is now a days. over 4 dollars a gallon is all i have to say about that. bush spent 8 years doing everything in his power to make sure the bussiness he is in will be triving when he returns to it in january. human nature.



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 11:01 PM
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PEOPLE!!!
wait a minute, whoa there!!!
this thread was all about POSITIVE ways we can create CREATE AWARENESS, but its turned into a debate and people are arguing about details.
I know that you cant help who wonders into this thread, and I cant help what peole are posting.
i want to know how i could get JUST LIKE MINDED INDIVIDUALS in here.

First of, let me clarify,
I AM IN NO WAY CONDONING ANY VIOLENCE OR DANGER IN ANY WAY OR FORM!!!
I LOVE HUMAN BEINGS!!!

This thread is about WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? not about why we are doing it (thats pretty obvious).

What i dont get is, What is the harm in 'us' banging on their door??
Why are the brainwashed so against it?
If we're wrong then we're wrong, whats it to you?!
Let us get further and THEN get proven wrong and then you can laugh, i'll take it. Wouldnt you like to see the look on our faces?

But what if we're right?! whats the harm?
Why do you take what "they" tell you as gospel?
Personally, im the kind of person that doesnt believe anything until i see it myself, somebody telling me aint enough, i have to get proof. how can you be like that?
Everything you george bush lovers know about 9/11 was shown and told to you by george bush. its a bit dodgy in itself.

With my own eyes (with the help of a television set) i saw two of the biggest buildings in the world collapse quite suspiciously. Straight away i was confused. The following days, i heard "their" explanation and i must say, i was even more confused. something wasn't adding up.
The WAY they fell is more than enough evidence that something is fishy. add to it WTC 7, and all of a sudden it seems nearly blatant.

The response is all excellent though, and already we got some good ideas.
Now, somehow, we need to put some distance between 'us' and the dumb!!

PLEASE, ONLY POSITIVE FEEDBACK!!
the haters can bring an end to this thread easily, in that case, all who have corresponded will have to start again... and start again we will...



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