Oklahoma Declares Sovereignty, page 7
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reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 10:30 PM by Question Fate
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Seriously, 5 minutes of searching (if that) will grant you all the pictures and threads you could ask for. And then there's google..


reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 10:34 PM by SystemiK
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Rex 84 buddy, search that term and you will have enough reading marerial to keep you occupied for days on end. It's not a secret program, though it's intended use may turn out to be quite a secret.


[edit on 14-6-2008 by SystemiK]


reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 10:38 PM by Eyemagistus
This topic is a hoax. Bill 1089 died in the rules committee of the senate without coming to a vote. That is why there is no news.
This is the governor's website with all the bills he either signed or vetoed at the end of this session.

www.gov.ok.gov...

Oklahoma is one of the many states that gets far more in federal money than we pay in and a total whore to big oil and the defense industry.
Unfortunately, I actually live here in OKC and Charles Key is my official Ass-Hat representative. He is also the top conspiracy wing-nut on the OKC bombing. He claims he has all this secret information, but never produces it.
His political allies were in control of all branches of government for 6 years with a GWOT to boot. If there was ever a time to tie Tim McVeigh to Islamic terrorism, he missed it several years ago.

If you need some more evidence of what kind of lunatics are ruining this state, just look at HB 2633 at the bottom. They wanted to make it illegal for a public school teacher to give a lower grade to any student who gives religious answers on tests. Oh, yeah. These is reel smart peepl. (sic)


reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 11:08 PM by US Monitor
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Sorry but I am asking for real proof not fantasy.

Lets see it. I didn't make the claim, and I am calling out the person who did to back it up with reputable sources.

Shouldn't be too hard right?



reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 11:11 PM by US Monitor
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I love when people tell me to look up proof for them. I didn't make the claim.
the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. It isn't for me to prove him right. I want anyone who makes such a claim to SHOW me irrefutable proof. How hard is that?

If I claim something, I will back it up. I won't ask someone else to do it for me.


reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 11:19 PM by SystemiK
Originally posted by US Monitor
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post by SystemiK



I love when people tell me to look up proof for them.


I didnt 'tell' you to do jack [snip]. You mentioned wanting more information and I gave you a lead, sorry if that offended you. If you don't wish to pursue it then fine, don't.



[edit on 14-6-2008 by SystemiK]


reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 11:32 PM by jackinthebox
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Well you've got a point there. Someone tried to argue with me earlier today about certain laws being there to "protect" people, from things like robbery and such. I pointed out to that member that there was nothing stopping someone from robbing him, despite the laws on the books.


reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 11:34 PM by Question Fate
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OK I get it.. You want proof, someone shows you proof. But then here's the problem. It's not the proof YOU were looking for because to you if you don't believe it then its not really proof. I get it now.


reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 11:52 PM by Mr. Sir
I am forced to be reminded of Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869), wherein the U.S. Supreme Court declared that the Constitution did not permit states to leave the Union once they joined, as Article IV of the Constitution gives "every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government." That, in they eyes of the Court, implied that Texas was always a state and that every act of the Texas legislature (and all the other seceding states) during the Civil War was "absolutely null."

Therefore, Oklahoma cannot leave the Union.

[edit on 6/14/2008 by Mr. Sir]


reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 12:39 AM by US Monitor
Originally posted by Question Fate
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OK I get it.. You want proof, someone shows you proof. But then here's the problem. It's not the proof YOU were looking for because to you if you don't believe it then its not really proof. I get it now.



How would you know what I think? You don't. And judging from the overall lack of ANY evidence to support these claims I am going to dismiss them as just empty words on a message board.

BTW a nice little cop out for not producing any so called "evidence". Instead of letting your sources speak for you, you instead take a defensive position when asked to support your claims. I get it that you can't support your views, just admit it and lets move on.


reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 12:43 AM by gluetrap
Im a suprised and proud of my state. We do have a deeply seated independent stance and a good bit of ingrained native american culture here.
Plus you have to be tough and maybe a little crazy to deal with our weather

I had no idea there were so many okies here!!
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post by mybigunit



if you want trees and landscape move to the eastern and parts of the southern part of the state, the middle parts are flat and flat with more flat down the road. But there are sections of absolutely breathtaking land.
We also have more shoreline than any other state in the nation...nothing beats a weekend at the lake with no tv no decent phone reception but a lot of good food and family and friends.

Everyone says they hate oklahoma but I think they have probably driven down I-44 on their way to somewhere else and think that is the entire state...not so, not even close.

I live in Tulsa and its a damn fine mid sized city to raise a family in and the actual city is really pretty to boot, even after all the huge trees were damaged last christmas


reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 12:44 AM by US Monitor
Originally posted by SystemiK
Originally posted by US Monitor
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post by SystemiK



I love when people tell me to look up proof for them.


I didnt 'tell' you to do jack [snip]. You mentioned wanting more information and I gave you a lead, sorry if that offended you. If you don't wish to pursue it then fine, don't.



[edit on 14-6-2008 by SystemiK]


"SIGH"... You didn't give me a lead, you gave me a cop out. You didn't provide a source, you just made a blanket statement that the information is out there and use google. How is that useful to your assertion? I am asking you to back up claims that I say are false. Prove me wrong if you can. The burden is on you to validate your claims, not for me to do that for you.

Hey I know, let me say that the sky is green, and instead of backing it up, I am just going to tell you the proof is there and see for yourself on google. Now how would that prove my case? It wouldn't. It is a simple cop out because you don't have proof, or not any that can withstand any scrutiny.

Now if you do have irrefutable proof, I actually want to see it. I want to see what has convinced you that these concentration camps are there. See who is being interned there. See who runs them. Why the people are there.
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