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reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 08:29 PM by Johnmike
This is a list of the current members of the Oklahoma Senate Rules Committee:

www.oksenate.gov...


Senator Sean Burrage - Co-Chair
Senator Mike Schulz - Co-Chair
Senator Cliff Branan
Senator John Ford
Senator Earl Garrison
Senator Joe Sweeden
Senator James A. Williamson
Senator Jim Wilson

Caroline Dennis - Committee Staff Director
Cheryl Purvis - Staff Attorney
Merian McCuin - Administrative Assistant

That site should contain contact information for them. Perhaps some of us should contact them.

Anyone live in Oklahoma?


reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 08:48 PM by shai hulud
reply to post by N1cotine



Cheers, most agreed.

I just hope my state follows suit with a similar decision, but with Atlanta I have my doubts. I think it is high time that the states re access their agreement with the Union. The Confederate States and Texas are Constitutionally still a free nation, they were not voted back into the Union by elected representation. Hell, I say freedom to OK and MT as well.

Deo Vindice!



reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 08:58 PM by TheRedneck
reply to post by Wotan
Please excuse my ignorance, I am from the UK and know absolutely sweet fanny adams about the US constitution ...... but what does Oklahoma declaring soveriegnty mean as such?


I'll give it a try. It might help to clarify exactly what Oklahoma is doing for some Americans as well.

The USA is not one country. It is 50 countries, called states, that act as one, similar to the EU. but in order for the various states to act as a single unit (required for defense, inter-state commerce, and international trade), a central government was established through the US Constitution.

This Constitution states exactly how the Federal Government is to be operated, who will perform what roles, how they will be elected, what the limits of their power are, etc., etc., etc. It also, in order to protect the citizens from a strong central government, includes several powers that may not be used. The most known of these are the Bill of Rights, our first ten amendments which were made immediately.

It also states that anything not specified as a power of the central government would be decided by the individual states. This is where the problem starts, as recently the USA government has been playing fast and loose with the restrictions placed on them. Oklahoma, by this resolution, is declaring officially that they will not allow the Federal Government to exercise powers and policies that are not contained in the Constitution.

In essence, it is an official declaration by a state government that the Federal Government will not be allowed to violate the US Constitution any more. As grady and I have both stated, this is probably in response to the recent NAU talk and NAFTA/CAFTA trade agreements, which have serious sovereignty implications.

While it is not a secession and not the start of another War Between the States, it is reminiscent of the first rumblings of that infamous episode in our history. Sadly, while I do not think anyone wants another Civil War, it may well be the only way to regain our freedom, our sovereignty, and our position in the world as a respected country.

Hope this clears it up.

TheRedneck


reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 09:20 PM by jackinthebox
reply to post by fm-in-usa



How will OK. defend itself from another country? There enough Jets & Bombers? Can OK. defend it's own airspace?


Um, it's landlocked. Would only have to defend against the Feds and/or other states.


reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 09:26 PM by jackinthebox
reply to post by Anonymous ATS



So basically. If people can find a way to get over the slavery issue and sell it as an open society bent on bringing the rights of america's back...


The Civil War was never about slavery. That is revisionist history at work. The Civil War was about states exercising their sovereign right to decide the issue for themselves. The Federal government overstepped their Constitutional authority on the issue, the southern states ceseded and lost their sovereignty in their defeat against Federal forces.

Just to keep things in perspective, the were in fact Northern slave states as well, they just weren't as economically reliant on them due to industrialization.


Then Confederacy of States might be the ideal form of government ?


That's what America was meant to be all along.



reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 09:28 PM by jackinthebox
reply to post by Vitchilo



Get all the independant states of the globalists and who think the whole situation have gone too far should secede from the Union and call for the people of the others states to elect new pro-constitution governors and join the new union.

Then give it a similar constitution, a new congress, a new senate and a new president.


This was tried in 1860, and failed, with catastrophic consequences to life and liberty.


reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 09:33 PM by mybigunit
Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to
post by Anonymous ATS



So basically. If people can find a way to get over the slavery issue and sell it as an open society bent on bringing the rights of america's back...


The Civil War was never about slavery. That is revisionist history at work. The Civil War was about states exercising their sovereign right to decide the issue for themselves. The Federal government overstepped their Constitutional authority on the issue, the southern states ceseded and lost their sovereignty in their defeat against Federal forces.

Just to keep things in perspective, the were in fact Northern slave states as well, they just weren't as economically reliant on them due to industrialization.


Then Confederacy of States might be the ideal form of government ?


That's what America was meant to be all along.




And just to add to your post Jack the emancipation proclamation didnt even include the northern slaves it just freed the southern slaves the ones they did not have control of. Just to show you how history just forgets to mention that.


reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 09:34 PM by jackinthebox
reply to post by NGC2736



The Federals are NOT the big dog here, we the people have the real authority and power.


That is not actually the case. I have the proof waiting in an email for a Premium submission.

Suffice to say though, that the Federals are in fact the "big dog" and you are living under martial law, as you have been your entire life.


reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 09:36 PM by jackinthebox
reply to post by mybigunit



And just to add to your post Jack the emancipation proclamation didnt even include the northern slaves it just freed the southern slaves the ones they did not have control of. Just to show you how history just forgets to mention that.


Not even all of the southern ones. There were many exceptions, including New Orleans.


reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 09:38 PM by mybigunit
reply to post by jackinthebox



Yup but if you ask every American why the civil war was fought 95 of 100 will say to free the slaves. Sad isnt it. This is why we have a 95% sheeple rate in this country.



reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 10:06 PM by y2presley
reply to post by jhill76



With the possibility of a Democratic Presidency....the powers that be are dictated by the wealthiest liberal Americans that put these people into the powers that be...we need to reveal all of the political bs and stop the liberals from getting their way with the NWO, Global Warming nonsense and giving us our liberties back...if this fails, it will be left to us as Americans to revolt and take back our constitution as it was meant to be.....free from government control.


reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 10:08 PM by jackinthebox
reply to post by y2presley



But the "conservatives" are no better. Bush is certainly no champion of liberty.


reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 10:11 PM by PistolPete
Originally posted by SystemiK
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the NAFTA Corridor in relation to this. What, if any, effect would this have on the corridor project which will cross through Oklahoma?


It seems that won't be happening. Oklahoma is really effin' with the Feds.

source
The Oklahoma State Senate voted to recall a bill that would have further facilitated plans for the NAFTA Superhighway to run through the state. There were fears that parts of Bill 1507, which dealt with Foreign Trade Zones, were tied to the superhighway which is to extend from Mexico to Canada. There were also concerns that this would lead to private property seizures through eminent domain. This is already taking place in parts of rural Texas with the construction of the Trans Texas Corridor (TTC), which is to be the first leg of this superhighway infrastructure.

Some have argued that Bill 1507 would have allowed for the creation of foreign owned smart ports. This would have allowed for imported goods to pass through the U.S./Mexican border without going through customs until Oklahoma . This follows in the same line as other proposed inland ports, such as the one in Kansas City. The NAFTA Superhighway will be a borderless open transportation system that will further facilitate the flow of cheap goods from China. Oklahoma has already passed legislation to stop the TTC from coming through the state.

The NAFTA Superhighway is the necessary infrastructure needed for the creation of a North American Union. It will serve as a highway for cheap Chinese goods and cheap labor from Mexico and Latin America. It will untimely benefit multinational corporations, who view borders as barriers to trade and greater profits. Last year, Rep. Virgil Goode, R-Va., introduced a House resolution that stated congressional opposition to the construction of a superhighway or entry into North American Union.



reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 10:12 PM by US Monitor
reply to post by rikriley



I would love to see pictures of these "concentration camps" that have been setup. Who runs them? Surely there would be a paper trail for the construction of them as well as employees working there.
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