Originally posted by v4vendetta
the title of this thread was scientist believe in god,
now i wanna ask what the difference between praying and hoping is?
This thread doesn't belong here really, but I'll answer anyway. Perhaps science & tech. Maybe even Psychology, philosophy etc.
Praying I assume is targetted at some supernatural agent? Hoping can be various things - mainly favouring an outcome. I hope that humanity can tackle
the problem of climate change and our ever increasing negative impacts on the environment.
So, what is the difference? One, praying, is targetted to some supernatural thing in the aim it will act to produce a favoured outcome by supernatural
intervention. T'other, hoping, is really looking into the future and favouring a particular outcome. In this case, I am hoping that other people
eventually fully grasp and act on a particular issue, but I don't expect my mere thoughts to influence this outcome.
One wants miracles from supernatural intervention. T'other wants real-world agents/events to act a particular way we prefer - just a favoured
outcome. So, in sum, One isn't expecting our mere mental action (or ritualistic behaviour) to influence the real-world outcome.
Similarly, superstitious behaviour also aims to influence outcomes by irrelevant (causally unrelated) actions or thoughts (i.e., crossing fingers,
So, there is a difference between,
'yeah, real-world outcome x would be good, I hope the future brings that situation'
'yeah, real-world outcome x would be good, [please mr. leprechaun on my shoulder please see it in your little Irish heart to let that happen]/[if I
wear my red underpants this will more likely happen]/[if I concentrate really hard and say 'Oom' this is more likely to happen]'.
And, tbh, if a scientist expects supernatural intervention in their experimental studies, they suck. It's the complete opposite to what science is
about. Would a research group replicating the study also have to perfrom the superstitious behaviour of wearing red-underpants to produce the same
Suppose if it was repeatable, we'd have a new physical force from red-underpants. Perhaps the Law of Red-undies.
[edit on 15-6-2008 by melatonin]