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Bush Puts GIANT SEQUOIAS on the Chopping Block!

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posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 06:25 PM
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This is the last straw!

Bush said as part of his original campaign pledge that he was one of the most enviromental presidents in history. What a lying piece of...

Please help take action to save these trees!

Bush Puts Giant Sequoias On
The Chopping Block
BushGreenwatch.org
3-2-4


Under the guise of forest fire prevention, the Bush Administration's Forest Service has proposed logging in California's Sequoia National Monument, home to some of the world's tallest and oldest trees, reaching ages of 3,200 years or more.[1] Also at risk are the Pacific fisher, the California spotted owl, and many other threatened species dependent on ancient forest habitat.[2]

Established by President Clinton in 2000, the Monument designation was the culmination of years of work by environmentalists. But in its draft environmental impact statement (EIS) for management of the Monument, the Forest Service chose the most environmentally destructive of six alternative management plans, the one calling for the most intensive logging.

Under the Forest Service's "preferred alternative," 80,000 acres would be opened for logging, including trees up to 30 inches in diameter, a size not permitted in most National Forests throughout the Sierra Nevada.[3] The Forest Service's proposal calls for 180 clearcuts, producing 10 million board feet a year.[4]

The Forest Service plan is based on the idea that if the ancient Sequoias aren't logged, they will be vulnerable to catastrophic fires (despite the fact that they have somehow managed to survive for thousands of years on their own). But the real motivation may lie in a sentence buried deep in the EIS, which says logging in the Monument "might make the difference between continued operation and closure of the one mill available to serve the Monument."

If fire prevention is actually the Forest Service's agenda, experts cite better ways to accomplish this, such as thinning the forest near homes and businesses, and increasing the number of prescribed burns.

Logging in the Monument will actually increase the likelihood of severe fires, since removal of the large trees reduces the cooling shade of the forest canopy, and because highly flammable brush accumulates in open areas where logged trees once stood.[5]

In a final insult, the Forest Service plan will actually be subsidized by taxpayers, to the tune of $34 million. Much of that will go toward road building, even though there are already 900 miles of roads in the Monument. And nearly $14 million of taxpayer money will be spent for "mechanical thinning of conifer" -- otherwise known as logging. [6]

SOURCES: [1] Presidential Proclamation establishing Sequoia National Monument, April 15, 2000. [2] "Forest Service Bushwhacks Giant Sequoia National Monument," Sierra Club. www.sierraclub.org...

[3] "Forest Service Proposes to Log Sequoia National Monument," The Wilderness Society. www.wilderness.org... [4] Ibid. [5] Action Alert, Sequoia ForestKeeper. www.sequoiaforestkeeper.org... [6] Ibid.



[Edited on 4-3-2004 by energy_wave]




posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 06:29 PM
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Yeah I dont agree with this at all....I understand the fires and stuff that have been going on in recent years and the idea to thin out some forest regions, but the trees have lived for 3200 years. Im not a big enviromentalist, but this shouldnt happen.



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by energy_wave
The Forest Service plan is based on the idea that if the ancient Sequoias aren't logged, they will be vulnerable to catastrophic fires (despite the fact that they have somehow managed to survive for thousands of years on their own).


HAHA! I was thinking that exact same thing until I read it. Wait.. theyre logging 3,200 year old trees because of forest fire danger? WTF?? Yeah, cause fire was just invented last year...



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 06:30 PM
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Bush is in the last throws of his meglomania and is grasping at straws and trying to satisfy his big money friends
Hes out
a vietnam war hero is on his way in
Great post you may just get my wats vote



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by watcheroftheskies
Bush is in the last throws of his meglomania and is grasping at straws and trying to satisfy his big money friends
Hes out
a vietnam war hero is on his way in
Great post you may just get my wats vote


He got my WATS too.



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 06:39 PM
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While this doesn't surprise me in the least it certainly does upset me. I hope Bush is on his way out. He's made it very clear that he has no respect for the enviroment, unless there is some kind of profit to be had. Didn't he also get rid of some enviromental laws that the Clinton admin. put into place?



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by watcheroftheskies
Bush is in the last throws of his meglomania and is grasping at straws and trying to satisfy his big money friends
Hes out
a vietnam war hero is on his way in
Great post you may just get my wats vote


A vietnam war hero?

Don't you mean a vietnam war criminal?



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 06:51 PM
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So, bush is at it again, eh?

When will he stop? He is to greedy for his own good.



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 07:09 PM
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I wish someone would assassinate Bush.

How come only the good presidents get assassinated?



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 07:24 PM
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it all depends on your point of view
some people consider saving your fellow soldier a hero
others dont
my father fought in vietnam are you saying hes a criminal?
and if you beleive that i suggest you start a thread saying all vietnam vets are war criminals p.s. no wonder you cant dream

[Edited on 4-3-2004 by watcheroftheskies]



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by EliteXizer

Originally posted by watcheroftheskies
Bush is in the last throws of his meglomania and is grasping at straws and trying to satisfy his big money friends
Hes out
a vietnam war hero is on his way in
Great post you may just get my wats vote


A vietnam war hero?

Don't you mean a vietnam war criminal?


You know there is no higher and credible opinion than that of a confessed 13 year old boy who admits to downloaing tons of porn in his spare time. See: "Why doesnt Bush get assasinate"

Buddy I think you must have stumbled on this site by accident and your actually looking for

www.kidscorner.com

Anyways, in response to the topic, you received this information from an anti bush website, a radical conservationist website, have you ever thought about the credibility of some of the # you put up.

Anyways, Im glad there gone, I lost a brother in a bad speeder bike accident with a Sequoia, he just had to join the imperial army............



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 07:39 PM
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its amazing how some can turn saving trees that take thousands of years to grow. into a demented political twist on how its anti bush and radical conservationism.
somebody has listened to too many limbaugh shows



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by EliteXizer
I wish someone would assassinate Bush.

How come only the good presidents get assassinated?


I don't know, was James Garfield a good president? Was McKinnley?



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by energy_wave


Please help take action to save these trees!


[Edited on 4-3-2004 by energy_wave]


Yeah you have fun with that buddy.


Hippy.



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by EliteXizer
I wish someone would assassinate Bush.

How come only the good presidents get assassinated?


Notice how as soon as the above was stated, Agent47
shows up? Maybe they "are" watching for key words.



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by energy_wave

Originally posted by EliteXizer
I wish someone would assassinate Bush.

How come only the good presidents get assassinated?


Notice how as soon as the above was stated, Agent47
shows up? Maybe they "are" watching for key words.



Oh yes I am just here to monitor your activities and to put 13 year old kids on the list of possible terrorists.

Paranoid Hippy.



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 08:39 PM
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The hippy's of yesteryear are driving beamers today



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by energy_wave
The hippy's of yesteryear are driving beamers today



Good point.

Although you never answered why you think you can source Anti Bush websites in a legitimate bush criticism, if you used a neutral source youd seem a lot more credible.



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 09:01 PM
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Bush never served in Viet Nam... he was a deserter. In that text, he is a war criminal, subject to treason. He should have been court marshelled. And yes, my father served in Nam, too... missing some body parts because if it, too.

Tell you what. Find us a pro-Bush web site, then maybe we'll all shut up and stop pointing fingers whenever Bush does something stupid. Until then, deal with it.

I was also for the assassination of the guy. But now it's election year, it wouldn't really do anything.

By the way, us anti-Bush people can come up with more evidence to support our beliefs than you supporters. Or are you still bound and determined to think that buried 50 feet in the desert are illegal weapons? Or the 600 missing FBI guns will be found tomorrow? Or the work force is getting better?

Sheesh.

Anyway, cool link! Didn't Bush try to do something in regards to the Alaskan Oil Pipline, and the National Forest up in Alaska? Think I remember hearing that a year or so ago...



posted on Mar, 4 2004 @ 09:07 PM
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Hopefully this doesn't happen. It would be so unfortunate. Those trees are absolutely gorgeous! Not to mention the animals that reside within the forests.

Look at these two pictures on this page....

www.californiapictures.com...



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