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# We´re in a lot of trouble!

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posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 08:58 AM

Originally posted by cruzion

Originally posted by KMFNWO

hold an object representing 4 in one hand. Hold an object representing X 0 in you other hand. X 0 is nothing so you have nothing in your other hand. Put the two hands together and what is left? 4. Therefore you can see clearly that 4 X 0 = 4

[edit on 14-6-2008 by KMFNWO]

Wow! You really don't undestand math. 4 things, add nothing to it, is still 4 things, as you're not adding anything to it.

Yea, I think he's confusing the definitions of 'multiplication' and 'addition', in that example.

But I think I can see his more philosophical point: Mathematics describes division by zero as an 'invalid operation', for real numbers. Simply can't happen logically. Why, conceptually, is the same not true for multiplication by zero?

(Disregarding the quite valid set-theory definitions and basis of mathematics, of course).

After all, there is no other constant that, when any number is multiplied by it, consistently yields the same value. If we include "+/- infinity" in the set of valid numbers, the 'divide by zero' operation give the same type of result -- always the same value.

Yet we exclude "+/- infinity", and call such division "invalid", but include "zero", and consider multiplication by zero "valid". Why?

(I can almost feel my math teacher cringing.
)

posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 10:12 AM
I read newspapers and books, I have my own library of books. I don't get most of my media news off the telly, as much of it is watered down.

I don't take everything that I see at face value, and I will even test things myself, especially with regards to the paranormal.

I know there are a lot of clever fakes and hoaxers online, so like I said I don't take everything at face value.

However, when it comes to world news and what is really going on, I have found the internet the best resource, as the telly and newspapers water down the material so much, you don't know what it is you're reading.

Also, when I come across a story that is too good to be true, I research it thoroughly on the internet.

I know on more than one occasion that the internet published a news story that didn't get put out over the television, or it was watered down so much, you didn't even recognize it.

I find ATS and Prison Planet good sites to get up to date information relating to how the politicians are affecting our lives.

posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 10:41 AM
reply to post by Ian McLean

I just wanted to mention "soundbytes" arn't new either.

The Church, all of them, pioneered and utilized "soundbytes" way before TV. We know them as simple verses from the Bible that are taken completely out of context and manipulated in a disinforming manner.
They are still used effectively even today.

[edit on 15/6/08 by MikeboydUS]

posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 10:54 AM

Yes, good point.

Tangential question: is it 'sound bites', or 'sound bytes'? I first noticed the spelling 'soundbytes' when reading the disclosed transcripts from the 'Pentagon Public Outreach' flap. I though it was an amusing typo, but is it becoming the standard spelling? Interesting, since, as you mention, 'sound bytes' existed far before the advent of computers.

posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 11:04 AM
reply to post by Ian McLean

I think the official term is sound bite, but sound byte seems to have caught on in relation to media on the web.

posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 04:25 PM
I don't watch much TV at all, but I'd like to cite an example of the kind of 'hidden-in-plain-sight" messages I've noticed. I've seen, a few times recently, a TV advertisement for one of the major credit card companies, that goes something like...,

A retail business full of gleeful consumers parading through cashier check-out lines in a most-efficient and organized manner, everyone using their, let's call them "VEZA", ATM/bank cards with obvious joy.

Now, all of a sudden, one individual starts to try and pay with cash, and wouldn't you know it, the poor guy looks to be coming up a little short, fumbling with his coins...

Behold, the scorn enveloping this now-forsaken cash-user, heaved upon him by the hordes of loyal VEZA users, for daring to interrupt the magical quick flow of debt-based consumerism.

This is clearly conditioning. We're headed for a cashless society and those who resist will be demonized.

posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 04:56 PM

I've seen that commercial, and perhaps it's 'working', in that I remember it, but the reason I remember it is because it's so laughably untrue. I've actually commented to fellow shopper about it, while waiting in lines stalled by credit-card purchasers. "Gee, this isn't like those commercials where the cash is always what slows things down". I've mentioned it to cashiers while they wait for their registers to 'reboot'; they woefully nod in agreement.

I guess credit card company's motive is clear there, though -- of course they're going to want to paint the transaction method that they skim a few percent from as the 'smooth' and efficient way of doing things.

Everyone I've mentioned it to recognizes it as bogus propaganda.

posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 09:32 PM

That's too funny. Of course, in reality, it's the card users that always hold up the lines I'm in. I can't believe how long it takes some people to punch in a pin code. Hell, sometimes they have to do it twice. Like when they put their card away and then the clerk says "Oh, I need your card back. There was an error." Grrrrrr.
And the worst, when they can't read the card on the swipe! Damn thing takes forever sometimes. You know, that is one of my pet peeves: waiting in line for debit carders.

Credit cards = legal loan sharking
Of course, if I lend out money and charge outrageous interest rates then I go to jail. What a beautiful scam.

[edit on 15-6-2008 by TheComte]

posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 09:49 PM
reply to post by Enthralled Fan

Exactly what I was thinking. IMO, people turn to the internet because it's more real time than TV, and certainly newspapers. People can post whatever they want, which, although you get a ton of BS, also means that you can get nuggets of truth that you couldn't get from Government controlled TV and newspapers.

posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 10:31 PM
Most newspapers are filled with fluff and stuff regurgitated from TV.

posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 11:28 PM
Man, I don't know if you've noticed, but if you think T.V is the only source used to mess with minds, you must be reading too much newspapers.

posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 12:11 AM
Uhm, if anyone here has ever read any of my posts, you know I'm not one to point to religious figures in any kind of reverent way.

Well, this is one thread where this reference makes a lot of sense.

A specific religious figure had to spend a long time alone in the wilderness before he could defeat his enemy. I have always regarded this story as meaning that if one cuts themselves off from the world, then the toils and the goals of the mainstream appear as nothing more than a pantomime.

Anyway, my .02

posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 12:55 AM
reply to post by Enthralled Fan

Wow good point

I'm not so convinced our future is an idiocracy. I read the paper daily and I have a subscription. I'm currently reading 3 books. I am still going to college even though I don't need to. I work for a contractor that works on a military installation working directly on projects that better our armed forces' infrastructure and I get decent pay and a sense of meaningful purpose from my job..

I don't think it's that hard to stir up a curiosity in young people that drives them to accomplish good things. The difficult part is popular culture and what have become the social norms just since the eighties. Sociologically, we are seeing somewhat of a degradation of direct human interaction (I don't think that's even a question anymore. Especially since Moore's law has been pretty much the standard for technological advancement).

But these are curious young people as I was myself just a few years ago. Without such a curiosity about the world/universe in general you don't really want to learn. If you don't find things interesting you aren't going to pay attention to those things. If you find things interesting, you are going to look for books at the library, you are going to wonder what it would be like to work in a profession dealing with those things you like, and you are going to work towards that goal because you want to be happy in life and do the things that you LIKE to do.

If you compare this new generation with gen.x , It's not that difficult to see why we have a dumbing down of society (at least in America). Especially given technology/Moore's Law and the progession of the computer chip just in the last decade (which then makes for faster, smaller, more portable technological devices). Which are obviously responsible for us screaming and yelling at crazy people talking on the cell phone and driving at the same time.

-ChriS

posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:54 AM

Thanks for clearing this detail. My knee-jerk reaction was to do it myself, but I just couldn't...invest the time, but it really did need doing.
Better use of my time to thank you!

posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 08:01 PM
I agree and have been trying to get people to open their eyes since the 80's to gain some form of clarity on their lives. Most are unable to move out of the box of Beliefs they have had "Instilled in them" from their birth.

Think about it: From the moment you are born, you are brainwashed, indoctrinated, educated with the requirements of your society and get an understanding fairly early on what taboo's we are expected to have. Most taboos have been designed to keep you from looking outside the Box you were indoctrinated into. That's a catch 22.

I have personally seen for a split-second during Saturday morning cartoon shows a notice that read, "Kids, Disobey your parents." I was shocked and wondered whether I was going crazy, until the next day another parent mentioned it, which of course confirmed what I knew. It is happening folks, like it or not.

Remember the Movie "Antz"? We are those ants, and those who control us do not want us waking up to our own power, nor thinking clearly for ourselves, not making up our own mind's about things... why? Because we will decide it is time to change the way humans do things, and then we will join forces into larger groups who will rock the boat of those who control us.

So, best to turn the TV off, unless you only watch uplifting shows. Forget the news altogether because it is all passed for consumption through the news clearing houses in major cities... it is not the news, it is only sensationalism disguised as the news. It is designed specifically to provide each country with Homogenized thoughts and beliefs about everything.

All News Media companies are owned by three people in the world. In every country the news offered will have a different slant on it depending on what homogenized thoughts you are required to have. As an example, in Australia we are told how bad the Indonesians are with the things they do to neighboring peoples, etc. Yet in Indonesia they are given news to make Australians appear as if we hate them and are no better than dogs to be destroyed. It is all about power and control... turn your TV off.

We are all being passively led down a path that I for one do not intend to follow. The path is one where you will see more major events in the world that are designed specifically to get you to ask your own government for protection, and in doing so you will give all your power away.... example, what you call 9/11 and the laws enacted directly afterwards. You are disempowered already!

Here we have had firearms removed from law-abiding people because the government used a patsy to allegedly shoot 30 something people. And then the government put a 30 year moratorium ban on the whole subject to ensure it cannot be discussed while the current involved people are alive.

We know the guy was a patsy, because the mental health unit he attended was often visited by his specialist from England, who just happens to work for the home of mind control in London called Tavistock Institute, and who was trained by non other than Dr J. Mengells. Name ring a bell folks?

And, having read the independant report from our top military sharp-shooters, there had to have been at least four gunmen to have made so many head and heart shots in the Broad Arrow Cafe that day. And there is underground video showing men dressed in black filming the event.

So please, for your own benefit, turn off all the appliances that are used to keep you indoors and not thinking or seeing for yourselves. Go outside, talk to strangers in a loving manner, turn the other cheek when needed, but always show love to another human being even if they do not show it to you.

You have the power of choice, so stand up and make your choices, then act upon them. Choose not to be one of the drone humans towing the line, choose also not to be part of the community that takes what it wants when it wants, but share what you can when you can.

We are all in this boat together, and it is time we all rowed this boat together!

posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 05:28 AM

Originally posted by Tayesin
We are all being passively led down a path that I for one do not intend to follow.

Even if you choose not to choose you still have made a choice. The path you should follow is Understanding.

The start for me on this path was when I first saw the difference between knowledge and Understanding. Knowledge is power and control, knowledge as well as power can be lost and it can also be false. Understanding is divine, it is not controlled nor is it ever false. Understanding is the ability to see that power is an illusion. Through knowledge we are taught to give up control for fear of, to put it simple, an illusion and this is mind control.

posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 09:09 AM
"...because less than 15% of you read newspapers"

Your post doesn't make sense in many ways, one of them being this statement. Reading newspapers is part of the problem and they are also used to control the masses as well. 90% of American media, this includes TV, Radio, magazines and newspapers is controlled by 6 huge corporations with their top employees working with our government. You are not going to get anything out of reading newspapers.

IN FACT - your best bet for finding information that is not controlled is on the internet. That's why the government is trying to pass HR 1955 to shut up all the internet media sources and the blogs that people write. Also if you want real news you should try Democracy Now on Link TV and other independent news stations and papers that do not get funding from the government.

posted on Jun, 20 2008 @ 12:08 PM

It takes compassion to reach change. The TV of course is a mind control box, deciding elections and constantly dulling the once razor sharp human mind, but to use the same tactics as they do (guilt, sensationalism, and compairison,) to try to make people feel "oh," is missing the point.

Of course this world is under the shadow of the Agenda. There are shards of nations and beliefs, but ultimately there is but one goal, for one group.
We will never evolve if we keep barking orders and statistics at eachother, and we will certainly never EVER overcome the oppressors unless we drop the hostility and realize that there are thousands and thousands of years of deception and programming behind the people whom we get so frustrated with, and it is not thier fault.

If you feel you message is so strong, and something is so wrong, go out there, and get face to face. I did it, and I'll continue to do it through 2012 and beyond.

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