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John McCain, weird 'Masonic' handshake?

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posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 10:21 AM
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I was watching a youtube clip of Fox News apologizing for lying about a 'Town Hall' meeting they had that supposedly was to be filled with Independant and Democratic supporters. The Meeting was apparently actually for McCain supporters.

While the newscaster is explaining the situation, I was floored when McCain gave one of his 'supporters' some sort of weird homey handshake, and then gives him what I consider a normal second handshake. The first is at about 8 seconds on the video, and is obviously some sort of weird grip of the thumb.

My question for all the Masons here at ATS, is that a Masonic handshake? If it is not, I apologize if you feel slighted by my calling it 'Masonic'. I do not mean to slander you, or your organization, I am only inquiring. If it is not Masonic in origin, I do wonder the exact nature of the hand grip. Perhaps someone knows who the man is that McCain is shaking hands with. Maybe it is a secret Elks lodge handshake. All I know is that McCain took his hand out of the many that were outstretched, and took it with what seemed like respect towards someone his 'senior'....

DocMoreau


Edit to add, I just noticed that the video 'freeze frame' is of him shaking hands with that man... Very strange.



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posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 11:34 AM
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Its a Masonic handshake...if you notice the guy is wearing a pin..my guess is that it's a Masonic pin.

The first part of the handshake is the "Tubalican"...the second part is the "Ma-ha-bone"

www.ephesians5-11.org...

I have also noticed G.W. giving the same handshakes as well as the "Five points of fellowship"

I forgot to mention that when the handshake is used...it's supossed to be coverd by the opposite hand.

[edit on 13-6-2008 by cdoug1]



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 11:38 AM
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Whats the big deal? Or is there one? Presidents down through history have often belonged to the Mason's. Would people be more comfortable if they all had belonged to a math club?



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 12:14 PM
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That would have helped when they were reviewing the deficit that year. Doh!



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 01:36 PM
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Its a Masonic handshake...if you notice the guy is wearing a pin..my guess is that it's a Masonic pin.


No it's not. The guy was either stopping McCain from walking away, which is what it looks like to me, or was another secret handshake but it was not Masonic in anyway.

McCain is also not a Freemason.



The first part of the handshake is the "Tubalican"...the second part is the "Ma-ha-bone"


When we meet in public and use our handshake(s) they are not followed by anything spoken.



I have also noticed G.W. giving the same handshakes as well as the "Five points of fellowship"


No you have not. And that site sucks.



I forgot to mention that when the handshake is used...it's supossed to be coverd by the opposite hand.


No it's not.

Your knowledge is pitiful.

OP:


All I know is that McCain took his hand out of the many that were outstretched, and took it with what seemed like respect towards someone his 'senior'....


Doesn't seem to me to be a secret handshake at all, but rather a method to stop someone from walking away. I would gather he man was a senior to McCain, a supporter or most likely a friend.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 01:57 PM
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No I know that grip, and its not masonic.

Thanks for the link. I see the man in a whole new light. A man of peace.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 04:48 PM
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Rockpuck, thank you for your insights, I am glad that you were not offended. You have to admit the the grasp was out of the ordinary, and possibly some sort of secret handshake, right?

Cdoug, I think that it was those images that lead me to believe the handshake was Masonic. Either posted here, or on some other site.

I honestly respect both your opinions, but still feel that the handshake was weird. He shook several people's hands in a normal manner, and then shook that man's hand in almost a 'jive' or gang-banger way. It does not appear to me to be accidental, or as a grasp to hold on to McCain, to me it appears that he initiates the weird hand gestures. Masonic or not, the motions seem organized and with intent, at least to me. I guess that is why I posted the thread....

Illahee, what is the grip? If you don't feel comfortable posting, U2U me, its like a glass shard in my mind. Although it would probably help us all in the long run.

Also, anyone know who the man was? He was front row at that Town Hall. I think it was at Federal Hall in New York City. Anyone recognize him?

DocMoreau



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 06:29 PM
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Yes, it was an odd handshake indeed, nothing I have ever seen. I would not be surprised if it involved some kind of fraternal organization or something.. Not Masonry, but perhaps something.



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 07:40 AM
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Put your eye glasses on Rockpuck....pitiful



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 07:45 AM
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Originally posted by cdoug1
Put your eye glasses on Rockpuck....pitiful


EH... excuse me?

I am a Master Mason, I know Masonic handshakes, when I go to Lodge I do it my self personally about a dozen times.

That was not a Masonic handshake in any way. So, mr. know it all, tell me what it was since I apparently do not have my glasses on. (I actually do by the way..)



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 08:14 AM
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As well as I am...get a better pair of glasses.



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 12:33 PM
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That I doubt. That is not a Masonic handshake. McCain is not a Freemason.



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 10:17 AM
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Please guys. No tit for tat on this.

cdoug has an interesting point if you step out side the great 'Mason' debate here at ATS. He provided a link to a website that has scans of seemingly 'old' images of 'Masonic' handshakes, etc. He believes vehemently that these sorts of handshakes are 'Masonic' because of it, and other sources with similar information. If that information is not about Freemasonry, which Rockpuck vehemently denies on behalf of himself and his brotherhood, what is it about?

Obviously someone somewhere linked the two for some reason, and the actions of John McCain and that man seemingly support a weird hand grip sequence, out of the norm for everyday citizens and Masons alike. We have photographic evidence of something strange, and are spending our time with a spitting contest.

I would think if that is indeed not a Masonic, or Freemasonic handshake, and there is 'evidence' out there otherwise, Rockpuck, and your fellow ATS Masons would be working their darndest to find who that group is that uses this handshake, and how John McCain plays into their hands so to speak. Then again, if it is a handshake that is 'Masonic', I would expect ATS Masons to tacitly deny the hand grips, and then do nothing to expose the group behind the grips. Perhaps flat out lying in the process...

Perhaps the initiated here at ATS can explain why Fox News caught this clip, and then the still of the hand grip was used on the Youtube clip.

If it is the handshake of any secret organization, especially one that is not just the Masons, I do not want John McCain to be our president. I don't care if it is the secret handshake of enlightened Buddhists.

I am surprised that this thread has not had more dialogue going on. You would think that John McCain committing an unknown secret handshake with another man at a Town Hall that was supposed to be for independent voters would get more hype at the number one Conspiracy website on the internet. Not even one of the paid Obama bashers that have been trolling around has chimed in... I would think they would have tried to bury this thread by now.

DocMoreau



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 11:58 AM
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You can do a quick google and see what a real Masonic handshake is. You can find pictures of Freemasons in full regalia doing the handshake. McCain I don't know what that was, but it was not Masonic in any way.. and McCain is not a Freemason. It does not matter was some ignorant poster says by linking pictures and talking about that which he doesn't understand, because it's black and white and no in between. McCain is not a Freemason.

And no, I do not, nor do any other Masons really care why McCain shook the guys hand. Not really important is it, maybe I am biased because in my learning I have found Secret Societies rarely stay secret and rarely have an effect on anything.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 04:48 AM
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post removed for serious violation of ATS Terms & Conditions



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 04:59 AM
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Well, this is "supposed" to be the ma ha bone.



I didn't notice that particular movement. It was an odd handshake though.

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[edit on 31/8/2008 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 12:26 PM
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Very odd handshake indeed.

I really wish that we could have more decorum in here. I am sorry that my title of thread has caused anyone grief. I honestly only used the term 'Masonic' because I felt that the handshake didn't even resemble what I perceive to be Masonic grips. I still would think that the Masons here on the board would want to help in the denying of ignorance about this, but I can understand why they would be frustrated from previous battles on this same issue. To me, this seems at the root of this battle, and whoever perpetuated this misunderstanding to begin with has caused quite a few Masons to chuckle at the least, but more likely grief.

On another note, I still have no idea who that man was that McCain shook hands with. Its ironic that a 'fist bump' between a man and his wife (Obama) can turn into a media firestorm because some pundit referred to it as a "terrorist fist jab", but McCain's own hand jive is not getting any attention, besides from me. Well maybe not just me, I found another 'cut' of the video (The original I posted was posted on some blog talking about how Fox News was retracted a part of their story...) when I did a Youtube search of 'McCain handshake' to see if he was often caught on video shaking hands. It is extremely odd, but the video is called "John McCain won't shake jewish boys hand". I watched it, and don't see it. Him 'not shaking a jewish boy's hand'. I see the handjive at about :40 in the video.


There is also this wild video, "John McCain Tries to Shake Hands with His Own Wife", where he seemed to lose track of who he was shaking hands with, but no handjive...


Besides that, I am currently looking for various 'grips'. I was unaware that Mormons used 'grips', and so I will look at that, but it also makes me wonder if other religious movements use grips. Maybe that man in the front row is a Priest or a Rabbi.
DocMoreau



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 04:21 PM
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No Karl that is called the Lions Paw. I have never once met a Freemason and used the Lions Paw lol.. It's usually the "grip of a Master Mason" which is basic enough.. In the video, that is also not the Lions Paw, and it is no where close to the Grip of a Master Mason.

Me thinks some people over analyze..



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 04:51 AM
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It's not mormon in origin either.
They only have 3, it's not one of them.

It appears that McCain want's to release and move on, but the guy holds him there, by grabbing his thumb and patting or even grasping McCain's right upper arm with his left.

I'd say this is more of a concern to his security detail than as any secret handshake.



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 05:19 AM
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