Ireland has rejected the lisbon treaty

This story IS true and has been confirmed by various news sources AND counteracts any theory that says democracy has been subverted or that we live in dictatorships.Take that Al qaeda!

You do know that wikipedia is an openly editable resource right? I'll admit that more often than not it's more right than wrong, but right now it's irrelevant.

Although I will add that, like a lot of modern portuguese right wing politicians, he probably does have a leftwing university activism past, because you have to remember portugal came out of a fascist right wing dictatorship in 1975. Whether at the time he believed the doctrine or was just wearing the colours is anyone's guess. Today I assure you he is just a tool.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
i am so happy that ireland voted no, i am engish. I don't know a lot about politics, but i try to keep up and i read about the Lisbon Treaty and didn't think it was a good idea at all, but english people did not get the right to vote. Does anyone know why this is?

the reason ireland was allowed to vote was because in ireland we have a constitution "(the only one remaining in europe me thinks)"

in order to for the european big wigs nwo facists to bring in this european constitution
ireland would have to change its constitution
and this decision to change the irish constitution
can only be made by the irish people..

SO AS IS WRITTEN IN OUR CONSTITUTION

and this is the reason why ireland got to decide..

have no illusions here people.. this is only a small set back for the global plan.. it is certainly a headache for them as their cover has been blown.. they railroaded it through every other european country on the QT and this will not be allowed to halt the plan.. we may prepare for round two..

least we forget that this treaty has been stopped before by the french and dutch a few years back.. i was curious to see the media hilighting the discust of the dutch for the irish reaction.. any one care to say anything..?

any way it is a great victory for european people.. thanks countrymen..

peace n luv

dz

This is ridiculous.. now they are PUBLICLY saying how they plan to either isolate Ireland or get them to vote again and again until the vote is yes and so on until their agenda is complete.

HOW IS THIS LEGAL?!?

They are basically trying to force-feed this thing through Europe now, shouldn't NO mean NO here?? Aren't these fascists SUPPOSED to be sent back to the drawing board to reconfigure this treaty so it appeases Ireland, instead of jamming the same thing down their throats or even kicking them out of Europe in the sense that they would have no say?

Simply ridiculous, even more so then judges having a problem with Habeas Corpas for Gitmo detainees here in the US.

Frickin' elitist human SCUMS OF THE EARTH!

[edit on 16-6-2008 by BrokenVisage]

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Yes, and when I try to explain exactly that to some of my family members, they say I've gone crazy, and act like oblivious sheeps. Aaaaarghh, this is so extremely frustrating.

It's unbelievable how big the gap between my world and theirs is, it's scary.

Originally posted by BrokenVisage
Aren't these fascists SUPPOSED to be sent back to the drawing board to reconfigure this treaty so it appeases Ireland, instead of jamming the same thing down their throats or even kicking them out of Europe in the sense that they would have no say?

Frickin' elitist human SCUMS OF THE EARTH!

[edit on 16-6-2008 by BrokenVisage]

if we had singed up to the treaty then there was deffinatly no way out of europe. one of the clauses in the treaty is that a country cant leave straight away.. there was to be a two year cooling off while issue was being discussed and during that 2 year cooling your country has no say at al in europe..

what we also must understand that ireland was not on its own.. all over europe there is also a rather large no contingent.

what comes next??

a terrorist incident.??

europe is all smoke n mirrors..

dz

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I don't give a monkey's where his politics come from, I only know that it isn't British and it isn't the politics that suit Britain. Has for Wiki being right or wrong, the easy test for the pro's is email the grinning cretin and tell him about the Wiki; if it changes i'm wrong.

the irish government is determined to push this through even tho the people voted no....

Then it's time for the people to push back - How much of this crap are we going to take before we as a people decide to do something about it. I think Stuart Wheeler has got the right idea, but unfortunately he is only one man, Everyone should get behind him. I personally think everyone should do the same and take New Labour to court or at least sign a petition demanding a referendum. These traitors don't give a damn about the people they were elected to serve, but what they seem to forget, is that it works both ways. Time to tell this government where to go en masse....

Victory in first round of campaign to force EU treaty referendum
www.telegraph.co.uk.../opinion/2008/05/03/dl0302.xml

[edit on 22-6-2008 by kindred]

We will win in the end simply because we are strong and they are weak. Elections are our strength, without the mandate of the people they are nothing.

Democracy has always stood against the EUSSR at every vote. Only with rifles can democracy be beaten, subvert democracy and the people might be the ones pointing the rifles back.

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Here here!
I completely agree with you. We here in Canada reject the NAU for the same reason. It could take power away from the people and place it in the hands of one man.

To the Yanks, you call him the Commander and Chief, he calls himself the decider, WE call him a 4 year elected dictator, what he is.

And there is no way in hell we are going to allow one man to wield power over Canada, Canada belongs to the people so long as there are still Canadians alive to make sure of it!


It is our duty as citizens of free countries to ensure the power remains in the peoples hands and not some outside party or person.

Freedom or death.
Good job Ireland!
Too bad some countries have forgotten this.

I doubt many would argue against Democracy, but Barroso did. It is now for the Pro’s to defend his position. If they can’t then the argument is lost. The preservation of democracy, or the subversion of it. The choice is theirs.

If there's any truth to this article then it's obvious, these politicians have sold us all out and frankly don't give a damn about democracy or the people they are supposed to serve. This is truly sinister and there must be some reason why they are hellbent on creating an EU superstate at the cost of democracy. You can't tell me that every politician in Europe would would willingly sign up to a dictatorship and sell us all out to fascism. There has to be some other reason. Could it have anything to do with Alien disclosure in the near future?@@: Either way, something is not right about all of this!

Mr Giscard d'Estaing told the Irish Times that Ireland's referendum rejection would not kill the Treaty, despite a legal requirement of unanimity from all the EU's 27 member states.

"We are evolving towards majority voting because if we stay with unanimity, we will do nothing," he said.

Mr Giscard d'Estaing also admitted that, unlike his original Constitutional Treaty, the Lisbon EU Treaty had been carefully crafted to confuse the public.

"What was done in the [Lisbon] Treaty, and deliberately, was to mix everything up. If you look for the passages on institutions, they're in different places, on different pages," he said.

"Someone who wanted to understand how the thing worked could with the Constitutional Treaty, but not with this one."

France and Germany are putting pressure on Ireland to hold a second referendum which would allow the Lisbon Treaty to come into force before European elections on June 4 2009.

Mr Giscard d'Estaing believes "there is no alternative" to a second Irish vote, a view shared by Nicolas Sarkozy, the French President.

Mr Sarkozy, who takes over the EU's rotating presidency next week, will use a Brussels summit on October 15 to force Ireland to find a way out of Europe's Treaty difficulties.

www.telegraph.co.uk...:

[edit on 30-6-2008 by kindred]

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I think the elites play them, either under duress or false information, to the point people like Barroso have no choice but to play along, there is no going back. It's a bit like the mob, at the start they're all good fellas, but the stakes get higher and higher and they end up eating each other.

That sense the majority of people have of something not being right... well, it's not aliens, it's not impending doom, it's this stealth mafia that dominates pratically all the economic processes of the world and which also dabbles in social engineering and religious manipulation. People subconsciously pick up on the signs and deep down know we live in an amoral and dehumanized world based on greed and power instead of love and generosity, which are what humans instinctively want.

I’m beginning to wonder what motivates politicians from both sides of the House to be so ready to throw away our sovereignty to the likes of Barroso. Has the West decided to build power blocks to match China? Is the future game one of continents, not countries? Is China so powerful that only by destroying ourselves can we match them?

I think not, Britain has been bled white more than once defending the right to freedom and democracy, yet we are in the thrall of a foreign elite aided and abetted by socialists of our own making. Yet It is a given that any threat to Europe will see the British Army in the thick of the action (they always are). We do not need an EU Army. We do not need an EU Foreign Minister. We especially do not need an EU President; I shall go mad if Blair gets that job.

Britain, France and Germany have got on well since 1945. I have worked and lived in both Germany and France and I am therefore aware that nationalistic fervour exists in both countries much more than it does here. But the governments are cooperative. Gone are the days of war, we are neighbours who will defend each other. We don’t need to become one. An attack against Europe is by definition an attack against all and we already have the necessary integration through NATO.

The Westminster village can’t be so enthralled just for the gravy train; there must be something more we aren’t being told. They need to be careful though, Europe wrote the book on total war, and dragging its citizens kicking and screaming into a fascist undemocratic state is a recipe for disaster.

“These people will eliminate the old capitalist class, crush the working class, and so organize society that all power and economic privilege remain in their own hands. Private property rights will be abolished, but common ownership will not be established. The new 'managerial' societies will not consist of a patchwork of small, independent states, but of great super-states grouped round the main industrial centres in Europe, Asia, and America. These super-states will fight among themselves for possession of the remaining uncaptured portions of the earth, but will probably be unable to conquer one another completely. Internally, each society will be hierarchical, with an aristocracy of talent at the top and a mass of semi-slaves at the bottom.”

Welcome to James Burnham’s take on 1984, the owners manual for the average despot, or a shocking insight into Western Democracies final breaths.

Hello from Sthdubz,

Hi all my first time posting im enjoying reading this blog. Just like to say that the treaty as we know it is finished in Ireland for sure for a number of reasons. The main reason is our government has no mandate to ask the people to vote again because of the margin of victory it wasnt even close. If and when the try and get us to vote again it will definately be challenged in an Irish court and almost certainly defeated. The next vote you may see in Ireland is probably wether or not we want to be part of the EU at all something along those lines. Alot of people are really pissed off me inlcuded at the way they attempted to ram this down our throats people are waking up and asking questions because of those tactis it was a realy dumb strategy on the yes camps part. As long as Ireland is in the EU we can use our veto to stop non democratic madness but it cant be ruled out that they move on without us when they realise we have seen through it for what it is and will never agree to it. Heres a quote for hope from the greatest Irish rebel, Padraig Pearse just after being sentenced to the firing squad by a former empire the people will always prevail!!! take it easy ya'll

"Believe to that we love freedom and desire it. To us it is more than anything in the world. If you strike us down now, we shall rise again, and renew the fight. You cannot conquer Ireland; you cannot extinguish the Irish passion for freedom. If our deed as not been sufficient to win freedom, then our children will win it by a better deed."

I do hope you are correct.

These traitors in power who have sold us out, will never take no for an answer. Hopefully there is light at the end of a very dark tunnel.

Irish 'No' vote architect plans Europe-wide 'referendum' on Lisbon Treaty


jacksnewswatch.com...



[edit on 21-7-2008 by kindred]

Good luck to him, that would get my vote.

The second comment at the bottom of the article about the EU supposedly being an economic arrangement, not a political one is spot on. Looks like they suckered us all on that one!.

The idea that our government can pull a stunt like this without any input or argument by the population is downright criminal and they should be hounded from office.