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Ireland has rejected the lisbon treaty

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posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 03:58 PM
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Given what the treaty allows Europe to do, anything is possible.
They have no regard for the will of the people. We're having our countries STOLEN from us by dictators. We're worse off now than during WW2. At least then we could fight the enemy.




posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 04:00 PM
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EDIT: Duplicate post.

[edit on 13-6-2008 by mirageofdeceit]



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:44 PM
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Yes!!! Way to go Ireland! The Lisbon Treaty dreamer-ups are apparently in an meeting right now to 'discuss' their future plans.

Keep your fort!



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 06:11 PM
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Woh woh, hang on a second don't go overboard. WW2 was far worse than this, yes we had an enemy we could meet head on, but they were bombing, shelling and shooting us. So lets not get out of hand and say we're worse off now ok?

After reading the treaty as best i can i can't see how it's good for the UK, i mean some parts are interesting but generally no. The UK needs to stay independant, it's great having a place where all the countries in europe can come together and discuss things, but for me i think it should end there.

Being governed by europe is a very bad thing, just look at what the human rights act has done. I believe in basic human rights but that act is so massive and wide covering that anything done to anyone could be considered a violation.

Europe is a dragon, promising treasure but aiming a fireball at anyone within it's borders disagreeing with it's laws. Soverign nations are i think still important and whilst we should all agree, get along and generally try to be peaceful i don't think we should allow the rule of countries to be centralised. To much power in one place will only attract men and women of a low moral standard and dangerous temperament.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 09:08 PM
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BRAVEHEARTS!!!
All of them!



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 09:36 PM
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Congrats to Ireland.

Unfortunately the U.K. dont have a chance in getting a vote as Labour were elected and thats our cross to bear.

It has to be done before the next general election as Labour know full well that the other parties will allow us a vote to boost their election prospects.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 11:05 PM
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Wow, I voted YES and when the time comes to vote for it again im gonna vote YES and it will be passed the next time cause more people will simply turn out to vote!The EU at the moment is a behemoth, it is having trouble running after the new member states joined up, this treaty will create a new super power n people are afraid of that, to be honest I dont care about who governs me cause ill still have to get up for work at 8 in the morning, work like a mad thing and repeat 5 times a week, until this changes id accept osama bin laden as my leader!It's as simple as that!



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 02:58 AM
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One reporter stated that should 2 million or so people affect the decisions of the rest of Europe? No other nation even voted they just had the corrupt Parliaments push them through. The question is should 1000 elites decide the fate of 500 million Europeans, no.

Three cheers for Ireland. The only nation allowed a referendum, votes no HAHAHA! eat that globalist nwo scum the people have spoken!! I love it!



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 03:24 AM
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Congratulations on making an effort to stop Europe becoming Unites European Capitalistic Republics UECR. EU reminds me a USSR a lot - centralisation of power and national sovereignty taken away in a way no one even notices it!!!!

Great job Ireland!!!

I know it will not stop EU from imposing its power over all the nations of Europe anyway
They are having plan B, C, D and E for the possible scenarios



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 03:59 AM
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Victory !!


But my parliament will pass the treaty, we here in Romania will not get the chance to vote. If you are anti EU here you look like the devil himself, or some communist, or whatever, but nothing good


Maybe when they find themselves constrained by all the laws the EU will put on them, people here will understand that EU is not the "promised land"


[edit on 14-6-2008 by pai mei]



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 04:51 AM
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On behalf of probably the majority of the portuguese people I salute ireland for doing the right thing. Despite having this piece of crap treaty soiling our soil do not for a moment think everyone here likes it. In fact most of us are skeptical about what europe means to us and gives us, since our political elite seems hellbent on keeping us in relative poverty and permanent financial debt while delapidating our traditional industry and agriculture. There is immense under the surface social tension, mitigated by the fact portuguese are a wise old bunch that know that empowering politicians too much is a mystake. Plus we have a military that has toppled regimes and may yet do so again.

José Manuel Barroso is a Bilderberg lapdog, a Kissinger pet. He is doing nothing for europe but destroying it, attempting to turn it into an elitist economic fascism. He is a cowardly politician that is more or less universally hated in his own country. If he is the face of europe, we might as well dismantle the whole damn thing now.

We did not have a referendum, our political elite voted this while doing everything possible to keep it out of the media and as undemocratic as possible, because they know full well the feeling on the streets is very anti establishment atm. And with good reason, the establishment is not representing us.

Either they wise up or there may yet be political revolution in Portugal.

The irony of this situation is I am very pro european. But I want a europe for the people in democracy and prosperity. A europe based on a shady treaty that centralises power and attempts to take it all away will NOT happen easily. And this time I suspect europeans will not be fighting each other but will focus on the people who hide cowardly in the shadows trying to push this nonsense, using borderline imbeciles to represent them (Barroso has similar intelectual capacities to Bush).



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by Zepherian
The irony of this situation is I am very pro european. But I want a europe for the people in democracy and prosperity. A europe based on a shady treaty that centralises power and attempts to take it all away will NOT happen easily. And this time I suspect europeans will not be fighting each other but will focus on the people who hide cowardly in the shadows trying to push this nonsense, using borderline imbeciles to represent them (Barroso has similar intelectual capacities to Bush).



Indeed, I too am pro-European, but not without wholesale reform. it is entirely un-democratic and many decisions that are made are done so in secret. The only time you hear about it is when they issue a new "directive". Even if it goes to the EU Parliament for a vote, that place is just to rubber stamp it. Personally, I would favour a Parliament with more power and an executive with minimal power, rather than the other way round which it is now. Also, individual states must have their independence guaranteed.

Some on here (not naming names) advocate a wholesale withdrawal of the UK from the EU without really considering the ramifications of such a move and the devastating impact that would have on our economy.

I think alot of the problems the EU faces from the people is due to a lack of engagement and education about what the EU is and what it's aims are. If they were open about the goals of the EU and people are kept informed and educated, the opinion against it wouldn't be so bad.

As for the Irish No vote, well, from what I saw on TV and have read it seems the majority voted No simply because the Treaty is all in legal jargon and is difficult to understand, not necessarily because they didn't agree with it. Also, the margin was slim.



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 06:57 AM
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The Dear Leader Barroso is a socialist of the most heinous kind. (Reorganising Movement of the Proletariat Party) is one of his old puppies. He is according to Wiki at least a former thinker in the Mao Zedong style.

“In its post-revolutionary period, Mao Zedong Thought is defined in the CPC's Constitution as "Marxism-Leninism applied in a Chinese context", synthesized by Mao Zedong and China's first-generation leaders. It provided the CPC's first comprehensive theoretical guideline with regards to how to continue socialist revolution, the creation of a socialist society, socialist military construction, and highlights various contradictions in society to be addressed by what is termed "socialist construction".

This man is in no way a friend of Western values and democracy, he may have embraced it has a way to further his power, but he has shown that he holds it in contempt by saying that we should ignore the Lisbon vote. Gordon Brown and his government of sordid individuals also come from spurious communist roots, so we should expect them to behave the same and they do. Manifesto pledge on the Treaty anyone?

These are the people who are pushing and leading this campaign to destroy nationhood and create a socialist state that can compete on the world stage without a democratic mandate from the people. Only Communists and sheep follow a Communist leader if they have a choice.

They are ignoring the public will so that they can fulfil a political dream that suits their mindset, nothing noble or democratic about that. They show this by not accepting that the Irish vote is a defeat and realising that the show must not go on. Now they are plotting a way to bypass the people to get what they want. Is that democracy?

Now I can understand why certain countries would profit from being part of the EU but Britain stands to gain nothing. It’s a shame that the freedom of Europe now sits on the shoulders of the Irish people.



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 07:57 AM
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We cheer Ireland for the No vote, yet we in America do not get a vote one th NAU, much like most of the EU. Wake up world and take your freedom back! The biggest weapon that these globalist have is our ignorance.



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 10:21 AM
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WTH. I don't know where you get all that from, but it seems like the usual stateside anticommunist paranoia to me.

Durão Barroso's political background is social democrat, which in europe is just right of center. Sure, by American standards that's left wing, but it's far far from eastern socialism. And in reality he dosen't have a political philosophy, he is just a front man, a mouthpiece for corporate interests owned by the world's socioeconomic elitists, so there's no real point analyzing his position in relation to political systems. Thier ideology is control, whatever political system works.



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 11:07 AM
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The thing is that Ireland is the only country who has the courage to do a referendum. The governments of all other EU-countries don't do a referndum because they pee in their pents for a "NO".



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 11:09 AM
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If the Government of Eire had a choice they too would have opted for a parliamentary ratification. But, it is illegal to make changes to their constitution without a referendum and it was deemed that all EU treaties involve a constitutional change back in a 1980's court case.



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 11:34 AM
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posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 11:37 AM
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I would assume such a powerful man would take issue and change a Wiki that painted him has something he isn’t.



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 02:33 PM
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i am so happy that ireland voted no, i am engish. I don't know a lot about politics, but i try to keep up and i read about the Lisbon Treaty and didn't think it was a good idea at all, but english people did not get the right to vote. Does anyone know why this is?



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