posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 06:54 AM
Originally posted by Zepherian
The irony of this situation is I am very pro european. But I want a europe for the people in democracy and prosperity. A europe based on a shady
treaty that centralises power and attempts to take it all away will NOT happen easily. And this time I suspect europeans will not be fighting each
other but will focus on the people who hide cowardly in the shadows trying to push this nonsense, using borderline imbeciles to represent them
(Barroso has similar intelectual capacities to Bush).
Indeed, I too am pro-European, but not without wholesale reform. it is entirely un-democratic and many decisions that are made are done so in secret.
The only time you hear about it is when they issue a new "directive". Even if it goes to the EU Parliament for a vote, that place is just to rubber
stamp it. Personally, I would favour a Parliament with more power and an executive with minimal power, rather than the other way round which it is
now. Also, individual states must have their independence guaranteed.
Some on here (not naming names) advocate a wholesale withdrawal of the UK from the EU without really considering the ramifications of such a move and
the devastating impact that would have on our economy.
I think alot of the problems the EU faces from the people is due to a lack of engagement and education about what the EU is and what it's aims are.
If they were open about the goals of the EU and people are kept informed and educated, the opinion against it wouldn't be so bad.
As for the Irish No vote, well, from what I saw on TV and have read it seems the majority voted No simply because the Treaty is all in legal jargon
and is difficult to understand, not necessarily because they didn't agree with it. Also, the margin was slim.