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Do you believe John Lears stories?

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posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 11:00 AM
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I do not like to say I believe in anything however i do not discount the possiblilities.

Proof is a very hard thing in all honesty. Much of what we consider proof, in reality is not. Just because CNN says something is true does not make it so.

Just because a text book says something does not make it so. As a matter of fact much of the science we accept to be true today was once considered laughable.

I just keep an open mind and consider anything possible.




posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 11:03 AM
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I don't think John Lear believes John Lear stories.

That being said, he is very entertaining and he is the reason I came across ATS (doohh).


Personally, I think it was the classic disinfo exercise, 20% truth mixed in with 80% spin.

That's how I see it.

Brei.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 11:08 AM
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Since almost everything he has said is from another source, it's difficult to believe him. He tells it as if it's his own story or memory.

As for remote viewing, I myself have had what seemd to be remote viewing experiences and I believe it can't be trusted anyway. The source of these visions could be pumped in and fabricated.

There's always the possibility of alternate remote viewing realities if the truth about a planned event changed it by exposing it. Joe Mc Moneagle supposedly gets about 50% of his views as hits.

I really don't care if you could find where he said he remote viewed it. Probably his interview with Project Camelot? Maybe someone could make a movie or documentary called: The Tales of John Lear.

To me JL is like a scout master that tells good campfire stories and jokes. And if you believe that one, then here's another one.....



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by Dr Love
reply to post by Mad_Hatter
 


I think you're taking it the wrong way, I'm not singling you out at all, just being fair. There's nothing wrong with that, is there?

Peace



There is nothing wrong with asking one to provide evidence. I agree.

But my problem comes in where, when I provide evidence, you say....yeah, sure...I'm not gonna read that...but as long as we know what you said is speculation...

That is what I have a problem with.


Generally when I ask someone for evidence, I read the evidence they give before trying to deny credibility. Just my opinion.

And you, sir, are a mod...you should know this better than anyone here.

EDIT:
Regardless of whether or not John remote viewed venus here is not the issue. I was merely giving an example of why I personally think he is nuts. Sorry I mentioned it. There is plenty more evidence on ATS for one to conclude his lunacy. I could argue all day about how insane John Lear is but I'm not going to. Anyone that thinks with logic and reason can ascertain that for themselves.



[edit on 6/13/2008 by Mad_Hatter]



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 11:21 AM
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I think that John knows a heck of alot more than he ever could release to the G.P. What he does is to make people get prepared to think outside the box and not to take everything they are haned as complete proof or truth.

For the most part he is trying to be an ordinary guy, with an inquisitive mind just like the rest of us. Simply because you may have more information than the next guy does not mean you stop questioning, seeking truth and learning from this expansive pool of information we call our human potential.

More than likely John has given up 'much' to bring the information forward that he has. Think about it, has ATS ever made a mistake or taken lightly the trust and sincerity of their Conspiracy Masters?



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 11:33 AM
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You are smokin hot if that is you in the avatar. Mr. Lear is definitely KOOKOO if he passed up a dinner with you.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 12:05 PM
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Maybe some of the posters need to be reminded of John´s signature

"I seek only the truth. But let me make it perfectly clear how little I think I know:
1.- All of my claims are only possibilities.
2.- I could be completely misinformed
3.- All of what I believe might not be true"

No one can deny he is a brilliant man and an admirable aviator.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 12:06 PM
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DONT take John Lear's information or disinformation seriously...question it...I myself listened to the 10 part series when he was on coast to coast and although he stated some obvious truth- he brought up alot of things that just seem very wrong...Like the moon having a tower that harnesses all our souls...His father invented the lear jet, allowing them to grow up with a large amount of money...you got to wonder if this guy is with the neo-cons. He's got close ties with Bob Lazar and although there's some truth to lazar's claims, he has been proven to be a liar in some ways. I frankly don't trust Lear because he couldn't answer any of the caller's questions but had the cohones to say that theres life and atmosphere all over all galaxy and that all ufo's are malevolent. When asked "Why hasn't SETI or astronomers picked up any signals?" He simply said "I don't know"...He's very untrustworthy, has a just outright rude and straightforward demeanor and frankly I think he's full of bull except his knowledge of UFO crafts, which he obviously evolved from Bob Lazar's claims who also may or may not have seen. Trust no-one, just absorb the information, dissect it, and then decide for yourself what's believable and whats b.s....Know this- His claims are strictly from him; I googled in alot of his information and it only led me back to him...No-one has all the answers like John Lear claims he does...BE WARY



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by MrChipps
I recently listened to a few hours worth of interviews with John Lear on the Coast to Coast AM radio show. The things he talked about certainly went against EVERYTHING taught in schools about astronomy and whatnot.

If you've heard some of his interviews, do you believe the things he claims are true or do you think he's nuts?

He certainly has credentials in his field and is apparently a well respected individual.



Because what you see on TV, erm textbooks is true.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 12:24 PM
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i cant say i believe all of his stories. but i will say all of his stories are fun to read and they take my mind in directions that it other wise would not travel.

i can say this though. there is a little truth in every story.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 12:27 PM
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John Lear has been gone from here for a long time, and I don't care what anyone says or thinks about my statement, the guy is obviously smart in some respects when it comes to piloting, but he is clinically insane in every other way, shape, or form. He did nothing but lie when he had his own forum here. You cannot get one ounce of evidence of anything he ever was involved in. Conveniently everything is 3rd or 4th hand information with all the evidence lost or buried somewhere.

I seriously resent the fact that he expects anyone to respect him whatsoever when he himself insulted people all the time and tried to cover it up and make it look rosey.

Good riddance.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 12:36 PM
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I think the thing about Lear is that he has in the past rubbed people up the wrong way. Personally I find the majority of his testimony to be unsatisfying because the evidence he presents doesn't convince me of the validity of his argument. I get the impression he wants you to think he doesn't care whether you believe it or not....that can be frustrating when you try to discuss a topic...

What's certain is that he enjoys a degree of prominence among UFOlogists and conspiracy theorists. What's less certain is why - I agree that he's a respectable pilot butu I think that is often used to lend respectability to his theories when actually it's got little to do with them.

John Lear got me into ATS, and got me interested in the topics here. I have to say I've found others to be more convincing theorists since - and conversely I've found others to be far less - he's somewhere in the middle. But what can't be denied is that he's a vigorous and colourful character who injects a great deal of energy into the field of conspiracy writing and research. That's not a bad thing, in my book.

Though most of his theories don't win me over, I think there's a lot of merit in the point that if 0.1% is true, it's still remarkable. I just think, with John, that you should always be prepared to discover that actually, it isn't...

LW



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 12:39 PM
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John Lear is a great hero who tried to free people's minds from the lies that surround them. Most of his information is correct except that he relates it from a 3D materialistic perspective instead of a spiritual perspective. In other words he views the truth of this solar system from a point of view that does not take into account the mystical and spiritual realities that intersect the gross awareness of the average person.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 12:48 PM
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In a word:

some...

I believe some of what he says is correct, and some not so much...



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 12:52 PM
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John Lear has done his damndest to push forward the neanderthal mentality into the higher light, I give the man credit, I know he is doing everything in his power to release details not known to the COMMON SOCIETY.

Good job JOHNNYBOY.

Age is a factor of youth, and I would say you are still young at heart.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 12:52 PM
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The man is a sociopathic narcassist.

Lear cannot handle disagreement, believing we should take his word as truth on the basis alone that it's his word. Thus, there is no possibility of a valid disagreement. If you do dare disagree, he accuses others of working against him, of being CIA agents.

And even if he doesn't actually believe the accusations he makes, it still speaks to his narcassism. He believes that simply because it is him making the accusations, that people will and should believe it.

(And by reading some of the posts on ATS, he has infected others with these delusions)

[edit on 13-6-2008 by SaviorComplex]



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 12:57 PM
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John Lear loves winding people up! I heard him on an interview on Coast To Coast, with Richard Hoagland claiming there was a breathable atmosphere on the moon... Personally, I don't believe he takes seriously what he says.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 01:01 PM
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Character aside I still think he has driven the nail home, like him, love him, hate him, doesn't matter the only thing that matters are the veracity of the claims, and they are staggering.

You could be the biggest prick in the world, but if your information is just pure genuis and vaild, people will over look your character.

Personally I know JOHN is all HEART, he may be working on himself as we all are.

Through an energetic bond is how I know.
John is (ex-c.i.a) but he's shooting for the home team not against it.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by menguard
Character aside I still think he has driven the nail home, like him, love him, hate him, doesn't matter the only thing that matters are the veracity of the claims, and they are staggering.


When those claims include people he doesn't like are CIA agents out-to-get him, then it's calls into question all of his claims.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 01:31 PM
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You know its funny, it really tickles me how some of you think you know what you know when in reality you only get your info from these kind of sites. There are so many nay-sayers that even if a piece of media came out reaveling anything to you, more than half of you would'nt beleive it anyway so why waste your time coming here for what? just to rebuke anything and even if this man is what some of you say he is "an attention seeker" how is he any different the any of the fools who post and reply on this site? I mean its fair to say that most of you can't handle the truth which is why some of you do nothing more than scoff and nay-say at some of the claims i know are real. Thats why its secret........................................you don't deserve to know.



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