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reply posted on 13-6-2008 @ 01:47 PM by TheWalkingFox
Originally posted by mybigunit
Nope that isnt how I play. You can have a good national defense without spending 1 trillion dollars a year for army bases and nation building over seas.


On that I agree. Pentagon spending is where about seventy cents goes, out of every dollar you pay in taxes. It's bloated, corrupt, and needs to be hit with a lawnmower.

if only hte American concept of "small government" involved trimming military spending at all, huh? News flash... it doesn't. Even St. Paul himself carefully tiptoed around that issue.

I already told you above you cant get rid of ALL taxes but you can get rid of income tax to start and when we get somehow fix the social security and medicaid we can drop that too.


And again - you would pay the same amount of money in taxes without an income tax. Other taxes would go up to compensate.

Its good to have police but we dont need anywhere near the amount of police we have on the street. BTW that is covered by property taxes not the national government.


Never made any claim for the police. However., most police departments do get government funding to some degree. Part of the whole "War on drugs / terror" thing, you know?

Roads you can have a small gas tax like what we have now to fix roads and bridges. But instead of that money going to fix the roads it goes to the dept of transportation and just disappears in the big government bureaucracy.


And is that a problem of taxes or obfuscated government systems?

I can go on and on. The governments job is to provide national defense, coin and set the value of money, do infrastructure, that is really about it. It doesnt cost 3 trillion dollars a year to do these things. Really the tariffs, gas taxes, and the other small means of income can cover all this you do not need an income tax and inflation tax and all the other big government taxes to do this.


Read Article 1, Section 8. Congress has a lot of stuff it does. "General welfare" coversa LOT of ground.

All the problems you have are traceable back to the military problem, ultimately - the need for military secrecy has transformed into a need for government secrecy, which lends itself to massive amounts of corruption and graft, which means YOU pay more, for the same services. The solution isn't to complain for lower taxes (which will net you less service ultimately) but instead for transparent government. The key is, as citizens, we are entitled to see what our elected officials and their appointees aree up to, AT ALL TIMES.


reply posted on 13-6-2008 @ 01:54 PM by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by TXMACHINEGUNDLR


The DNC is a pretty vile thing, from the viewpoint of THIS democrat. The moment a state elects a republican governor or gets a small GOP lead in state legislature, or even has someone say "Republican" on a local news channel, the DNC writes that state off as "Republican territory - unwinnable" and refuses to campaign there, support the Democrats in that state, or anything.

They are pretty much one and all, GOP-aligned corporatists who's main function was providing the illusion of a two-party system. Here's hoping that the DLC manages to actually return democrats to the Democratic party. Off to a good start with Dean's fifty-state strategy (sunnuvabitch wasn't lying about "We're gonna go to Iowa! We're gonna go to Nevada! We're going to go to the U.S. Marshall Islands! YEEEARGH!" was he?)


reply posted on 13-6-2008 @ 02:00 PM by mybigunit
reply to post by TheWalkingFox


War on drugs eliminated and save that 45 billion a year. Who am I to tell a person they cant screw up their life. Its there life. Prostitution legalize it if 2 consenting adults want to have sex who am I to stop them it happens all the time the only difference is you exchange money and that is when it becomes illegal. Well let me ask you something have you been married trust me you pay the woman one way or another.

Sure you can cut the military. You dont need bases in 130 countries. Bring them all home. End the war in Iraq and focus on Afghanistan and get that war finished. Then come home and save that 1 trillion a year.

I dont know why you keep saying your going to pay the same amount in taxes. You not by fixing our foreign policy to the above and kill this police state we have and lets work on social security and medicaid to phase it out and eliminate it. That would leave us with about an $950 billion budget and that is still PLENTY of money and we would not have to pay a dime in income taxes. Im very well aware of the constitution also and general welfare means in my eyes the protecting of my freedoms from both the government and other people. Not to pay for my kids education. I can do that with all the money I would be keeping.

The only socialistic view I have is for the kids. If a mother and father are addicts the kids should be taken care of. We as a country should invest in our children. Im a product of that investment but that will still fall in my above budget.


reply posted on 13-6-2008 @ 02:02 PM by mybigunit
reply to post by TheWalkingFox


The DNC is just as pathetic as the RNC and that is because they are all the same they both want big government and big taxes. The Dems really let me down when they didnt impeach Bush and Cheney not once but two times. They pandered and it just proves my point that they are all the same and thats why a real change needs to happen and it will just not this election.


reply posted on 13-6-2008 @ 02:23 PM by FewWorldOrder
reply to post by TheWalkingFox


Being a Ron Paul supporter, which as you implied, also means I am too lazy to look-up information, I decided to get off my a#s and peruse the information in the obviously authoritative link you posted.

It is, indeed, a very impressive chart of how the Gov't purports to spend the budget approved by congress. However, this is merely a compilation of Official expenditures presented in a graphic chart form. The chart does have a small "Who Pays" section where it states:
"For every $1 Billion of total federal spending...
Every tax payer has to pay $4 on average
550 Million in total"
...this is just parroting information the Government provides.
Here is a little background on the charts' creator:
"Jess Bachman is a freelance graphic designer residing in Burlington, Vermont.
Aside from combing the informational depths, Jess can be found collecting music, designing custom game boards to play RIsk on, engineering popsicle stick birdhouses, experimenting with tea, making art for people who play music, fumbling over a harmonica, and other peculiarities."


www.wallstats.com...








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reply posted on 13-6-2008 @ 02:57 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by mybigunit


Ya know, I think most of us are actually on the same page here! The WOD (war on drugs) is a scam, perpetrated on us, to hide Black Ops.

I don't condone drug use, of course. BUT, it (the 'WOD') is a cover, used 'covertly', to hide money from prying eyes, and divert it. AND, the stolen 'drug' money is then pumped into the Black Ops....see the wheel go round and round???

Shoot....if I scratch too close to the surface, I'm gonna cause an itch, and the next thing I know, I'm gone!!!!

OK, outta here!!


reply posted on 13-6-2008 @ 03:13 PM by mybigunit
reply to post by weedwhacker


There is a war on drugs because the government does not like competition. Plain and simple as that. Legalize marijuana and tax it.


reply posted on 13-6-2008 @ 05:10 PM by morbidtracie
reply to post by Becker44


Either 3rd Party or write in ballot. I could write in Ron Paul's name though I am considering writing, "No confidence in the government"


reply posted on 13-6-2008 @ 08:22 PM by Annoyed
reply to post by MidnightDStroyer


Touche! Is it overkill to give you two stars?

Very good explanation.



reply posted on 13-6-2008 @ 09:43 PM by mybigunit
reply to post by MidnightDStroyer


I agree. Star for you. I interpret general welfare as things like infrastructure and maybe national parks and crap like that. Stuff for the general population. Then again maybe I am wrong. I do know for sure it doesnt mean a monthly welfare check to people.
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