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Top Pentagon Scientists Fear Brain-Modified Foes

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posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 11:37 AM

Top Pentagon Scientists Fear Brain-Modified Foes

There's concern in some corners of the U.S. military about "enemy activities in sleep research," neuro-pharmaceutical performance enhancement, and "brain-computer interfaces." And it's not coming from the Pentagon's scientific fringe, or from some tin-hat kook with a Defense Department badge. The celebrated scientists on the Pentagon's most prestigious scientific advisory panel, JASON, are the ones worried about adversaries' ability "to exploit advances in Human Performance Modification, and thus create a threat to national security."
(visit the link for the full news article)

posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 11:37 AM
This is the part of the story that scares me...

"But since "existing neuro-pharmaceuticals" are "used rather commonly... as study aids." And since "the US military will certainly test whether, and to what extent, the new lessons of neuroscience can be used in military training... it is reasonable to expect that adversaries will do so as well. We do not expect the development of super-soldiers as a result of improved training, although enhanced military capability can certainly be expected."

That basically says "well, if they're doing it we will, too." which is all well and good except to say exactly what happens when our soldiers attempt to reintegrate into society complete with their differently wired brains and physical codes? Could this be part of the reason why our government keeps changing the discharge rules, effectively moving our enlisted men closer and closer towards active duty being a career for the rest of their working lives? Obviously if the day comes when we completely reprogramming our soldiers from the ground up, then we've entered a situation similar to that Kurt Russell movie "Soldier" in which soldiers are soldiers until they are killed in action or can no longer perform their duties efficiently at which time they are killed and disposed of.
(visit the link for the full news article)

Mod Edit: Replaced quote tags with ex tags as the quote comes from off site.

[edit on 12-6-2008 by MemoryShock]

posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 11:55 AM

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
That basically says "well, if they're doing it we will, too."

Actually, it's saying the opposite. We're going to do it, so our enemies will probably do it too...

Of course when the results aren't as good as they expected, they'll start talking about a eugenics program to breed better soldiers. Next step, ethnic cleansing.

posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 12:03 PM
Spooky, but not really surprising. They've been experimenting with this sort of stuff for decades. My uncle was one of the test subjects back during Vietnam. He was going to go to medical school and went into the military to get the tuition benefits. By the time he got out, he didn't need them. They fried his brain. Now he likes to sit in his rocking chair and watch the TV. He doesn't turn it on, he just watches the TV, and occasionally laughs at the shows that only he can see. From all accounts this sort of thing happened to a lot of the test subjects. Now it's a new batch of drugs and techniques. I don't really expect much better results this time.

posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 12:39 PM
This is quite an important thing to recognize for the simple reason that many people in the public really think that each man is created equal and are afforded the pursuit of happiness.

It isn't like that. There are people all over the place who operate with impunity with regards to the 'rights' of another human being. Experimentation on America's soldiers and citizens has been going on since this country was established and the scary versions are starting to show up now because technology has advanced to a sufficient point where not only can we control/influence something from miles away, but we can understand the various readings of physiological reactions from the the digital output displayed on a screen.

And I can pretty much guarentee that if we are hearing about it now in the mainstream media, then they have already conceptualized, collaborated, built, experimented, documented, and applied into the field what it is being released publicly. Which means that they are working on refining or something altogether different and better.

Consider the following,

The Pentagon hopes to exploit the ability of sharks to glide quietly through the water, sense delicate electrical gradients and follow chemical trails, according to New Scientist magazine.


The neural implants consist of electrodes buried in the fish's brain which can then be triggered by remote control to stimulate specific areas of the animal's central nervous system.

Not a New Endeavour

Kind of a novelty report that proves what I stated above. They can remote influence from miles away and can digitally interpret data recieved...including physiological olfactory data.

And they have already started with humans. Personally, I think that the PR department insisted that they focus on the health benefits of the brain implant...

The Department of Defense is planning to implant microchips in soldiers' brains for monitoring their health information, and has already awarded a $1.6 million contract to the Center for Bioelectronics, Biosensors and Biochips (C3B) at Clemson University for the development of an implantable "biochip".

Brain Implants for Humans

Our government, in collaboration no doubt, with some corporations (VeriChip anyone), has already started this.

I seriously have no doubt that the use of "neuro-pharmaceuticals" have been used as well in conjunction with hypnosis experiments etc...

Old News for some....breaking news for the masses.

Great Thread...Starred and Flagged. People should know what their government is really trying to protect.

posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 01:03 PM
Great find! Funny how most people I know won;t even acknowledge that we, the US, would conduct such research. The consequence to the human psyche are completely ignored - in the name of national security - Manchurian Candidate anyone?

posted on Jun, 20 2008 @ 10:04 PM
well, now they have nanotech that delivers the ability to boost muscle mass in mice by 30% without exercise.

But if you investigate terms like "Manchurian Candidate", "Montauk Boys" (or just "Montauk"), and "Woodpecker Grid", you will see that there is a fairly well documented trail of the things that have been going on relative to mind control and enhancement.

Excellent thread.

posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 06:58 PM

Originally posted by Maxmars
Great find! Funny how most people I know won;t even acknowledge that we, the US, would conduct such research.

Sheesh just point em at the Rockefeller Commission report from 1974.... It's available online, here.

For example, from page 226:

However, the Agency has tested some of its new scientific and technological developments in the United States. One such program included the testing of certain behavior-influencing drugs. Several other involved the testing of equipment for monitoring conversations. In all of the programs described, some tests were directed against unsuspecting subjects, most of whom were U.S. citizens.

That led to the 1977 Senate hearings on MKULTRA, available here.

posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 07:33 PM

This Nation has a biomedical and behavioral research capability second to
It has had for subjects of HEW funded research for the past 3 years a system for the protection of human subjects of biomedical research second
to none, and the Human Exerimentation Commission has proven its
value. Today's hearings and the record already established underscore the
need to expand its jurisdiction. My Emphasis

The above highlighted completely contradicts the premise of the Thread topic.

The celebrated scientists on the Pentagon's most prestigious scientific advisory panel, JASON, are the ones worried about adversaries' ability "to exploit advances in Human Performance Modification, and thus create a threat to national security."
Original Story source

Looks like the Pentagon is still releasing fraudulent information for the public...

Chances are, the pentagon is worried that perhaps some of the unwitting subjects realize that they are being tampered and screwed with and make a domestic know, priorities...

C'est la vie...such is the way of the world.

I wonder what else could be learned from that article. I have seen pictures of mice being hooked up like that, but they never really go into details regarding what exactly they are doing...

posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 08:30 PM
Well here's what the CIA was looking for in the 60s and 70s:

...devoted to the discovery of the following materials and methods:
  1. Substances which will promote illogical thinking and impulsiveness to the point where the recipient would be discredited in public.
  2. Substances which increase the efficiency of mentation and perception.
  3. Materials which will prevent or counteract the intoxicating effect of alcohol.
  4. Materials which will promote the intoxicating effect of alcohol.
  5. Materials which will produce the signs and symptoms of recognized diseases in a reversible way so that they may be used for malingering, etc.
  6. Materials which will render the induction of hypnosis easier or otherwise enhance its usefulness.
  7. Substances which will enhance the ability of individuals to withstand privation, torture and coercion during interrogation and so-called "brain-washing".
  8. Materials and physical methods which will produce amnesia for events preceding and during their use.
  9. Physical methods of producing shock and confusion over extended periods of time and capable of surreptitious use.
  10. Substances which produce physical disablement such as paralysis of the legs, acute anemia, etc.
  11. Substances which will produce "pure" euphoria with no subsequent let-down.
  12. Substances which alter personality structure in such a way that the tendency of the recipient to become dependent upon another person is enhanced.
  13. A material which will cause mental confusion of such a type that the individual under its influence will find it difficult to maintain a fabrication under questioning.
  14. Substances which will lower the ambition and general working efficiency of men when administered in undetectable amounts.
  15. Substances which promote weakness or distortion of the eyesight or hearing faculties, preferably without permanent effects.
  16. A knockout pill which can surreptitiously be administered in drinks, food, cigarettes, as an aerosol, etc., which will be safe to use, provide a maximum of amnesia, and be suitable for use by agent types on an ad hoc basis.
  17. A material which can be surreptitiously administered by the above routes and which in very small amounts will make it impossible for a man to perform
    any physical activity whatsoever.

The development of materials of this type follows the standard practice of such ethical drug houses as [deletion] It is a relatively routine procedure to develop a drug to the point of human testing. [op. cit., p.167-8]

And considering the justification they gave at the time was, "well, the Soviets are looking for this stuff, so we need to research it so we can defend against it", this implication of the Pentagon that they're just now suddenly worried about this (fear fear fear!) are obviously false:

In a recent report, unearthed by Secrecy News, the JASONs are recommending that the American military push ahead with its own performance-enhancement research -- and monitor foreign studies -- to make sure that the U.S.' enemies don't suddenly become smarter, faster, or better able to endure the harsh realities of war than American troops. Source

posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 08:47 PM
Aside from military applications to make a better soldier, what about joe public applications to create slave labor that does only what it is told to do?

If technology like this were perfected, the temptation to apply it to a population would be far too great for many to resist. Talk about a rabbit hole...

posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 09:46 PM
If one attributes any validity to the whole Fluoride in the water scenario, then such a temptation was already succumbed to.

Perhaps it is a matter of time until we have a Brave New World class system...

posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 03:08 PM
reply to post by Ian McLean

On topic to the extent that some of these tactics may have been employed, look at this one from your list:

Materials and physical methods which will produce amnesia for events preceding and during their use.

Now it is interesting to note that to this day, the man who supposedly shot RFK has no memory of the event. It is my understanding that doctors involved with the case have concluded that he isn't lying when he says he doesn't remember it.

Hm????? With a backup shooter to really "do the deed", this would be a sure fire way to have a patsy on hand.

Just thinking.

posted on Jun, 22 2008 @ 04:07 PM
reply to post by NGC2736

Yep, you can run down all kinds of rabbit holes with the MKULTRA stuff. For example, there's fairly valid evidence that the Unibomber, Theodore Kaczynski, was an MKULTRA subject:

In June of 2000, Harvard University Invoices also linked Kaczynski to the CIA [LA Times] as a subject in the CIA Mind Control Program MK-Ultra. The brilliant awkward 16 year old Kaczynski met with Henry A Murray (of Mk-Ultra '___' Scandal fame) in 1959 on his third day at Harvard and every week thereafter. [Atlantic Monthly][Net]

posted on Jun, 23 2008 @ 05:29 AM
reply to post by burdman30ott6

Of course you want to know exactly who it is that the Pentagon is so worried about in this regard...

The premise that there are programs as or more advanced than what they themselves are doing is doubtless nonsense, the most obvious fear-mongering so that they can push their own twisted research farther ahead.

I posted an article a few months ago stating they were studying the brain chemistry of fear; obviously just one element of this push to build a terminator/soldier. What a nightmare.


posted on Jun, 23 2008 @ 06:03 AM
somehow I expect human race will split into different races due the DNA-redesign. Sadly , the richer the better as enhancements will not be available for everyone. When they will be available, it will be too late as the new race of super-humans will decide to stop our access to the technology.

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