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Problem Reaction Solution - Child porn and the internet.

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posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 06:21 AM

Originally posted by Mad_Hatter
Dude...there is a BIG difference between freedom of speech and sex with children. I don't think there's anything more to it than that.

He knows that and he even says that. His point is that by allowing governments to have the power to crusade against people for crimes, they could, potentially, use their power to crusade against people for anything the government later deems criminal. It's not as if German Nationalsozialismus, Italian Fascismo, Medieval Christianity, Russian Bolshevism, Chinese Maoism, etc, ever did these things.

posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 06:48 AM
Good thread. I agree 100% that this will probably be used. You know that show to catch a predator? Well, I had read that they were using shady practices to get the pedophiles they were after, entrapment, abuse while the cameras were off, etc. So I tell a bunch of friends and family how I think that someone should look into this, because if they can take away the rights for pedophiles today, tomorrow it could be potheads, and on down the line.

I can tell you that of about 20 people I have talked to about this, only 1 agreed with me. The vast consensus was that if they were pedophiles, then the government can do WHATEVER they want to nail them, and punish them in the harshest ways possible, even torture. I said that all criminals are supposed to have rights, and that was one of the ideas that should make our country great, and people said they didn't care about the Constitution if children were at risk. Of course they also called me some choice names.

Also, if you read the thread on Max Hardcore on ATS, you can see how many ATS members claim that they should get him at any costs, no matter if it violates his rights or not, merely because in his videos he has ADULT women dress up like children and have sex with them.

It just goes to show that all rationality can go out the window when it comes to child porn. I not only think that it will be used to heavily censor the internet, but I look for the government to accuse people of being pedophiles who hit a nerve with them. It would be so easy. You discover something the government doesn't like. They get a warrant. They slip some childporn onto your hard drive. BAM! Friends, family, your neighbors, no one would be willing to listen to you. You could rot i jail forever and no one would ever question it. Its very scary stuff.

posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 08:23 AM
for a while this subject - made me want to barf...
a evil person forcing him or her self on innocense
- I went out of my way to locate and log these sites,
and trace them and report them. I found most were
highly protected & professionally done. interesting
considering I think these are the worse form of criminals.
- those that I was able to access, well enjoy your FBI
trojan... and justice., some of the trojans I received were
of excellent quality MIT Class bugs... only the govt could
have afforded such soft tools that I am finding now...
- and then it dawned on me, I might find myself being
sought - so, I stopped attacking them. but if you are like
me and want to do something about child porn.
crash their servers. setup a (Ping -t) to deny service to that Address...
trace route and forward the site to the FBI, or host country police.
any other recommendations - please post...

posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 01:53 PM
Serious question here: how many of us have not had any kind of sexual relationship with a person under the age of 18 in America (or whatever age of consent in your home country) at any point in their life?

posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 02:07 PM
Most people tend to have relationships under the age of consent when they themselves are under the age of consent. That's not pedophilia. Pedophilia is actually pretty rare imo, I would imagine around 1 case per 10 000 people perhaps of an adult having sexual relations with a minor, although:

One thing that gets me about the pedophilia push is that there aren't that many serious psychological and sociological studies about it, there seems to be a lot of ignorance behind a lot of noise. People need to calm the hell down untill there is serious study and some form of relevant statistical data. Then measures can be targeted, instead of this blanket nonsense that seems to be in the works.

posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 02:40 PM
reply to post by 888LetsRoll

Poking your nose where it doesn't belong will only get it cut off. If you're not in law enforcement you have opened yourself up to prosecution if, someone finds such temporary images on you drive & turns you in or if a trojan calls home with your IP and opens an investigation on you.

The nastiest viruses are saved for those we disagree with most and I wouldn't put it past the same types that would release AIDS in the gay community would release O.S. & hard drive eating viruses & trojans & worms that clone themselves on every pathway they touch on suspected pedo's equipment.

I imagine there is some stuff out there that will permanently damage your hard drive perhaps even beyond standard format repair.

As I've noted in my last post most the stuff is in the uncensored newsgroups, but I don't recommend people go looking there and if you do be prepare for the consequences.

[edit on 12-6-2008 by verylowfrequency]

posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 11:45 AM
I absolutely agree with the OP.

Child abuse has nothing to do with the WWW, the WWW is simply a mirror of what already exists. Many people act and speak as if ignorance is bliss, so if child porn can be gotten rid of on the internet people can pretend that those actions and the type of person who commit them do not exist anymore either. When I cover my eyes I know the world is still around me. It's not that difficult to connect the dots with all these new copyright laws and internet legislation to see it has much more to do with free speech and expression than child abuse.

The emotional reaction from people regarding this subject leads them to accept sweeping measures to prevent it. When many are found innocent but labeled nonetheless the damage is already done to someone's reputation.

That person is then a victim, which is where a paradox lies:

ie) to prevent victimization of a child we are willing to accept victimization of an adult.

posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 11:58 AM

Originally posted by verylowfrequency
Look at the responses to this thread and that should tell you exactly how well this type of attack will work.

2-3 of responders didn't even get the subject of the thread.

People feel so strongly about the kp subject that they lose control of rational thought once it's mentioned.

Can't think of a more perfect way to justify total censorship. After all its for the children right?

Wouldn't even be surprised if much of the stuff is allowed/ignored or planted until such time it fulfills their mission and the hammer comes down.

This is the quote that summarizes up exactly how it is imo. Nothing else. This notion came to me after I read this article. BTW, this is not a read for the faint of heart.

[edit on 13-6-2008 by Universal Light]

posted on Jun, 25 2008 @ 05:54 PM
Good thread. I believe that the elites have no qualms about reducing our individual liberties, and will stop at nothing to do so.
They used terrorism, why not child porn. Everyone agrees that terrorism sucks, everyone agrees that child porn sucks.
It's easy to manipulate people into accepting total control, especially when you use the classic "emotional response" to trigger it. People will even ask for it.
As the late Benjamin Franklin used to say, if you are prepared to give up freedom for security, you deserve neither freedom, nor security."

posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 07:39 AM

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