Problem Reaction Solution - Child porn and the internet.

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posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 06:54 PM
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First let me start by stating that child abuse is a very real and serious problem. I want to make absolutely clear that this thread is NOT in any way to minimize the problem of child pornography and abuse.

However, these are dubious times, times when people are becoming more aware of how commonplace manipulation and deception is in our world. I was just now watching CNN and they were running the child porn site crackdown piece, where a site with child porn setup in australia was monitored and an companion piece where ISP's are cracking down on forums and newsgroups that distribute child porn. Now, I don't have a problem with this, but this led me to the following mental question:

Could this crackdown on child pornography on the internet be a catalyst for the fight against freedom of speech on the internet? Could an environment be being setup where child porn would be used as a pretext for the erradication of online identities and the destruction of unwanted sites? A few of us have realised that there is a persistant link between elites and child abuse. In my own country there was a massive sex scandal involving a boarding school and elite individuals and in past history there had been another. Could the more evil and control orientated elite be planning to use their connection to this seedy underworld as a tool for persecution of online political opponents, could this be the first shot in an online war intended to clean out the voice of dissent off the internet and reshape world culture into something more manageable?

I mean, who in their right mind would stand up against a crackdown on pedophilia? You would have to be a terrorist right? Sorry, I meant a pedophile. Something for this board to think and talk about and possibly preempt.




posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 06:58 PM
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Dude...there is a BIG difference between freedom of speech and sex with children. I don't think there's anything more to it than that.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 07:04 PM
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I'm all for cracking down in any fashion, in any manner it takes on child porn, their viewers, child porn magazines, their subscribers. I think it's the bottom of the bucket of humanity.

Are you posing the possibility of these kind of crackdowns morphing into a NWO persecution of otherwise innocent people? Sort of like saying that it's such a dispicable crime that your friends and family would turn away from you at just the accusation of it? I donno, if that's what you're hypothesizing. I think IF the NWO exists and IF they wanted to create a mechanism to allow them to round up innocent folk, there would be far easier methods to do so, such as planting drugs, etc.

[edit to clarify]

I reread what you wrote, OP. I think I understand. -- using online pedophelia as a mechanism to eradicate websites and eventually all internet? I don't see it happening that way. Dang, the primary connection I have to the outside world lives inside this little computer box. I can't even pick up Glenn Beck on the satellite (chorus of booos).

I think the world is internet dependent, and as long as the technology exists, it'll be demanded and utilized. If TSHTF, probably the best way of severing communication would be to truncate the internet. eek

[edit on 11-6-2008 by argentus]



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 07:11 PM
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Yes, of course that is what I am hypothetising. And the first reply in this thread kinda shows how easily it could work, people have such a violent emotional knee jerk reaction that when they read about it they tend to lose their rationality to the point of not understanding what is really being said.

So I will state it again: child pornography could be the internet's false flag attack in a elitist cyberwar against freedom of speech and online community.

Of course it would not by itself end the internet but it could be instrumental in getting rid of specific targets. I expect it would work with a rash of pedophile smear campaigns, and since it's a digital environment the data is easy to falsify.

[edit on 11-6-2008 by Zepherian]



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 07:20 PM
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I understand what your saying but why child porn? why not some other means...like framing for murder or some equally atrocious act?



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 07:20 PM
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Welcome to the club. We have jackets. I've been saying the same thing for 10 years now. When they finally close down the internet, it will be because of "kiddie porn".



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 07:43 PM
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Because I believe the evil elites in illuminati type conspiracy theories do correspond somewhat to the reality and there is a connection between them and organised crime, specifically human trafficing and pedophilia. I mentioned it in the original post.

Or to put it short, they have the resources and the psyop impact of kiddie porn is large. We have been desensitized to murder and violence in general by mass media and computer entertainment, it dosen't have the shock factor required to herd the popular conscienceness in the required direction. And most people don't care about zoophilia I guess, while necrophilia is a victimless crime. Sorry for the black humour there btw.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 07:52 PM
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i don't think it will be because of child porn. I do believe there should be a limit on the internet ad child porn doesn't cut it. Freedom act my ass. These people deserve to go to jail over the sexual exploitation of children fullstop. If it does happen its not the government to blame on this one its the people who have the disgusting habit spreading this across the internet.

Do you know what freaked me out. One of the teachers from high school, who everyone believed was a bit weird was on the news supporting the fact that they place those painting of naked underage children in the galleries of sydney. What a sicko.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 08:04 PM
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Again, nobody is advocating child porn. But there is such a thing as rule of law and innocent untill proven guilty. Reserve judgement for clear minds and calm hearts, these are dificult times and the water is muddy.

I'll add more to this thread: Has nobody wondered why the media coverage in europe over the Maddie McCann case was so exaustive and pointless? Viewed in the eyes of a conspiracy theorist the whole thing does fit the model of memetic warfare and social manipulation. Another nasty biproduct of the pedophilia meme is that it breeds distrust and isolates people. I have noticed how society becomes more polarized if it's scared, and pedophilia is indeed scary.

Pedophilia is a very nasty crime that scars it's victims, and at the end of the day it's a police matter that should be handled discretely, especially for the peace of mind and the safety of the children unfortunately envolved.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 08:10 PM
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Look at the responses to this thread and that should tell you exactly how well this type of attack will work.

2-3 of responders didn't even get the subject of the thread.

People feel so strongly about the kp subject that they lose control of rational thought once it's mentioned.

Can't think of a more perfect way to justify total censorship. After all its for the children right?

Wouldn't even be surprised if much of the stuff is allowed/ignored or planted until such time it fulfills their mission and the hammer comes down.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 08:15 PM
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And you can bet your life if someone stands up in MSM and comes up with a viewpoint similar to the one posted here he will be wide open for a pro-pedophilia accusation in much the same way the holocaust is used to give Isreal an aura of false righteousness due to the anti-semitic meme.

Memetic warfare sucks dosen't it?

[edit on 11-6-2008 by Zepherian]



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 08:30 PM
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I created this thread that included similar subject matter and many of the responses were just mindless attacks with just such accusations.

I'm not sure why some people are unable to see at a higher level or the bigger picture and others like us can, I guess that's why we label them sheeple because they are stuck in the muck and are taken advantage of by those doing the real dirty deeds.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 08:35 PM
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I don't label them sheeple. To be honest I sympathise, they are living in another mindset which shields them from harsh realities. It was a pretty hard process for me to realise that things were a bit worse than I thought they were with society, and to be honest one I was thrown into by circumstance more than choice, and I can perfectly understand that if someone has an even half decent life he or she would not want to taint it with such somber thoughts.

They are however asleep, and the sooner they wake up the sooner the collective consciousness will self correct and the window of opportunity for mass social manipulation will become much much smaller.

I still believe most people are good, but they have to be active good, not just passive good.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 08:35 PM
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The internet does appear to be way too liberal. And it does represent what a NWO would determine as a threat through various means of communication and illegal activities.

Double standards are for the elite and powerful. I think all pornography should be banned or permanently blocked from certain people and households with children. I've heard some arrested cannot use the internet either. If our identities are exposed on the internet, due to these policy changes, it would seem even more likely they would be stolen.

Many sites appear to be used for profiling for good and for bad. If people love their (legal) porn so much, they can purchase these at the adult stores. It's sad that so many who abuse it will ruin it for others. Something has to change, you have to admit that.

I think the main theme would be a major threat to the population due to extreme illegal activities. Using childen as a wake up call gets people more motivated to accept these changes. I wonder if it will be on the next election ballot?



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 08:39 PM
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I disagree somewhat, the internet is not responsible for bad parenting. And giving a 10 year old unmonitored internet access is bad parenting. The internet is neither liberal or conservative, it is a medium, the sum of all parts. I would rather it not be messed with, because as it is now it shows us an honest reality of what we are and we can use that to self correct. You don't get that out of MSM. Sure, it has a downside, but everything is voluntary, and it's a great tool for fishing out the real criminals of this world too.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 08:47 PM
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Agreed, but the fact remains that because they are asleep they can be turned and used against all of us without them being aware - which is why I label them sheeple. Being asleep at the wheel is just as dangerous as being intoxicated.

We are all sheeple in some respect, but if we are aware of it we can change, grow and fight on an equal playing field.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 09:05 PM
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I don't see it as a fight though, it's more us doing what we should be doing in the first place, careing and participating in our local communities, which is all really we should do. Too much eagerness to fight is what got us in this mess in the first place.

Now, if by fight you mean the same sort of memetic dissemination techniques for good wholesome human interests... then I agree 100% Our empowerment will be elite disempowerment, little blood would be shed if done right. And look at it this way, all that energy spent trying to get us against each other, all that money, social leverage, corporate structure would be left purposeless and the lack of return would be a huge blow to the sociopathic elites. Take american politics for example, it's not about liberals and conservatives, republicans and democrats, it's in reality all about the duality, the manufactured political conflict.

Ordo ab chaos is the elitist mantra, it is countered by meaningfull social relations which lower the entropy levels in our societies. I suspect that if there is a divine plan behind all this, this is where the internet fits in, it's the possibility of global communication, the start of a healing process for humanity.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 09:46 PM
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Here's the best example I could come up with.

N.Y. attorney general forces ISPs to curb Usenet access

For those of you who are unaware - the usenet came before the World Wide Web your using now at ATS. It was older technology and is text only, but is still used by millions and anyone can post or create groups (forums). The Alt areas mentioned in the article are where people can post exe's, picture, music ect. but they have to be encoded & then decoded on your computer because the newsgroups are text only.



Posted by Declan McCullagh

Time Warner Cable said it will cease to offer customers access to any Usenet newsgroups, a decision that will affect customers nationwide. Sprint said it would no longer offer any of the tens of thousands of alt.* Usenet newsgroups. Verizon's plan is to eliminate some "fairly broad newsgroup areas."

Yet Usenet's sprawling alt.* hierarchy contains tens of thousands of discussion groups--one count says there are 18,408 of them--including alt.adoption, alt.atheism, alt.gothic, and alt.tv.simpsons. Ditching all of those means eliminating perfectly legitimate conversations.

"The Internet service providers should not be blocking whole sections of the Internet, all Usenet groups, because there may be some illegal material buried somewhere," said Barry Steinhardt, director of the ACLU's technology and liberty program. "That's taking a sledgehammer to an ant."


Here we have Time Warner saying that since there is a few disgusting sites among the 100's of thousands newsgroups instead of going to the expense of monitoring and deleting such posts they will put up a roadblock and deny everyone access to any of the newsgroups.

I think that is the jist of what Zepherian was getting at with his first post - maybe I'm wrong.


[edit on 11-6-2008 by verylowfrequency]



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 10:18 PM
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Yes, it's called incrementalism. First they get the public accustomed to internet censorship by removing porn. That way, they pose as our "saviors", those brave warriors who "rescue" the generation that is "drowning" in porn. Then, incrementally, "terrorist", "anti-government (ATS??? INFOWARS???)", "alternative (CANCERTUTOR.COM???)", and "free speech" go down.


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posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 11:19 PM
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Child porn is the perfect way to introduce laws and measures that will eventually be used against other purposes. That is because noone will dare to oppose them and risk being labeled as protecting paedofiles.
This has already happened in Finland. Isp's were talked into volunteering to censorship child porn sites. Good idea you think? Well it's already been used to censorship at least one site that is nothing more than a blog that critizizes this measure. There is a huge number of perfectly legal sites on the list of banned sites, many gay sites for example. There is no place to complain about the censorship and there is no overseeing of the banned lists. There has been few sites on the list that were removed because of outrage from people who ran legal businesses and sites which were placed on the list. A high profile case being that of a memoribilia site for a deceased asian princess. Then there's the fact that they can ban entire domain names if one customer abuses their web space.
There number of bad things about this measure is huge but they still got it trough because it's "against child porn". Communications minister was actually quoted saying in a press confrence that "I refuse to discuss this measure as if it was a freedom of speach issue".





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