Kurt Cobain killed by the CIA?

Originally posted by antar
Well DW I have read your last post twice and this whole thread.

I too have always felt an affinity to Kurt.

Never believed he was anything but murdered. Strange that he was considered as an MKultra experiment. You say that your friend came to Missouri to partake in experiements? Can you tell me more as I am in Missouri...

He didn't tell me where in Missouri, but all I say is that it is probably a government lab facility and it is probably restricted access. Possibly near St. Louis, but this is all just a guess. He didn't tell me too many details. If he did, I'd probably be smart not to blab too much about it.

I've started thinking about this a lot lately because I have had all these dreams with Kurt Cobain in it, and I feel like I'm in a position to better understand what has happened because I've been pretty involved in the indie scene these past few years. It's a volatile scene as of lat... many bands breaking up. Many people going off the deep end with drugs and mental problems, and then I think about what my friend Jason and a couple others have told me about their own personal experiences with MKULTRA, and it just makes me wanna do something. It makes me wanna investigate these things more, but I'm afraid to because I am not immune to all of this either. I'm a musician in the scene and I have experienced just lots of bad combined with weird # in rapid succession... and each thing that happens, I find myself waking up to a more and more alien and sinister and unnatural world system of control which leaves absolutely no stone unturned...

I know enough to know that everything we think we know is a lie, and that every single individual subversive to the system has the power to change the world if they can wake up enough... and that's enough to question this and everything else thoroughly. We need to look back at every single thing that has ever happened in our history and rethink it. Kurt Cobain is like my brother I never knew, and sometimes I feel like I'm literally channeling his essence when songs come out of me... So.... I get really emotional when talking about Kurt. He's too much like family to me, which is strange to most people. He indirectly taught me to question preconceived notions. The Kurt Cobain murder thing was the first conspiracy I ever discovered. I rented the Kurt and Courtney documentary in like '97 when I was like 11 and I was SHOCKED! How could something like that be ignored? My first exposure to the subversive influence of mass media. Even that documentary in the end tries to dismiss the murder claims, but they are undeniable. Someone is killing and controlling our artists, either directly or indirectly. I've experienced some scary stuff myself, and I'm a nobody. I've become kind of a recluse this past year. It hasn't been a great year for me and the musician lifestyle.

reply to post by dunwichwitch


Well, I feel for you. Things affect us individually in different ways. Sometimes profoundly. I just hope you don't take the road he took to dull the pain.

reply to post by 20 Eyes


Have you heard of The Hidden, by chance?

And yeah man... he earned his ticket to heaven, whatever that may be.

Originally posted by 20 Eyes
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Well, I feel for you. Things affect us individually in different ways. Sometimes profoundly. I just hope you don't take the road he took to dull the pain.

I'm hanging in there, I guess. Dulling the pain is too temporary for me. Feeling the pain is pushing me to actually do something. Unfortunately, my car is busted, my bank account is dry, and my bike has a flat tire. I'm currently living in my mom's basement surviving off food scraps, and I honestly cannot keep a job without feeling like there's just something horribly wrong with the whole concept and saying "# it!" after about 3 months. 9 months is my world record for longest job ever held. There's just something about it, man. I am not a slacker at work. I just think that something is very screwed up about the whole system, and this goes back all the way to the feeling I had all through school...

When the great artists of our time are dying off and the artist within you is faced with either submitting to the one choice system or becoming a derelict or something... it's just very mentally disturbing. Looking around, and instead of seeing compassion, you're met with hateful resentment and apathy because you aren't submitting to the one choice that everyone else has submitted to... I wouldn't blame Kurt for having gotten into something way too big for him to control. The initial cushiness that being on a major label and being a big time rock star offers seems like a sweet release from the constant mental struggle that being a tortured nobody constantly forced to conform to a zombified glorified slave state. He didn't realize what he was getting into until it was too late. When you're up that high, the problems of the world are much more visible. I wouldn't be surprised if many celebs accidentally stumble upon shocking truths.

Originally posted by dunwichwitch
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Have you heard of The Hidden, by chance?

The Hidden, as in the band that recently broke up?

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Dunwichwitch, I will be honest with you. I never was a rock star, but I was part of the music biz for a bit during the 90's playing a small part. Those were the best times of my life. It was other parts of life that brought me to some very dark places I hope to never go again. Without going into it, I will say I am still struggling to "recover" from the things I have seen and done. I can, as an understatement, "understand" the situation. Kurt's demise was a tragedy. There is no need for anyone to have to experience anything remotely close to what happened there to him. I hope I'm making some sense.

Originally posted by 20 Eyes

Originally posted by dunwichwitch
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Have you heard of The Hidden, by chance?

The Hidden, as in the band that recently broke up?

That's weird. I was just wondering whether they had broken up or not.

Then yes I guess that band. Haha! Small world, huh?

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They are one of my favorite local (Boston) bands. I unfortunately never got to see them live, but have all their best music. They broke up to my great sadness earlier this year, but I', sure they will do a few shows here and there. Are you from the UK? I'd be surprised you knew about them.

Someone deleted my location. I'm from Illinois.

Someone is seriously sniffing around my profile and reading my messages and #.

I knew about the Hidden when their first EP came out. I was invited to hang out with them during their recording session with Steve Albini when they were recording their full length, but they called me over at like 9 at night, and living in the suburbs its like pulling teeth getting to Chicago. I don't like the city at night. Bad vibes.

After that we lost touch. I guess they thought I was disrespecting them by ditching out on their invitation, but for christ's sake dude they were smoking pot all day and finally remember to call me at like 9 at night to invite me to drive 45 minutes into this tangled web of a city just to have a beer and smoke a joint? Good band, but I've always been a little bitter that they stopped talking to me because of that.

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Crystal clear, buddy. I don't think you need to go into it. My bass player and I, we vowed to separate ourselves from the scene as much as we could... because man we've seen too much tragedy already, and the scene is dead yet it's still rising, and in the lead are a bunch of baffoons and apparently a few MK stooges. I think the only reason they told me anything was because they thought they could confide in telling someone something no one would believe.

My bassist is still struggling to understand what the heck is happening and why we can't get a gig together, but I feel like it has a lot do with our refusal to play the stupid game, and everybody else's completely delusional brainwashed obsession with recognition, power, and wealth. We had this one drummer approach us and was NUTS about playing with us, and we email him two weeks later after he doesn't answer any of our phone calls, and he fires an email back basically saying "F you" for no damn reason! What is this crap? maybe two drummers in a row doing the exact same thing could be chalked up as coincidence, but this has literally happened ten times at least in a row. We are making good music, and there's a big huge consciousness behind what we're doing... and maybe that scares people a little. I don't hide behind a veil of acceptability. I say what's going on, and if people are weirded out by it... I dunno what to tell them, but I'm confident the conspiracy runs so deep, it would deeply disturb anyone who bothered to look and see it.

Kurt Cobain was one of those anomalies in pop culture.... he didn't seem to belong. He was too raw and honest... and it is no coincidence that those types of people don't live too long. Hell, being an average joe, and just being raw and honest in your daily life... you risk either being shunned by everyone, thrown in a mental institute, thrown out of your home, or thrown in jail.

I never got the whole tortured artist and hopeless thing from Kurt's music. Even though it may have sounded that way to most, it always gave me hope and inspired me to hang on. There was a time when I was like 15 where I really wanted to die really bad, and Kurt's music helped me get through that and overcome the sadness. Maybe it was just a sense of not feeling so alone, knowing that someone who you consider somewhat sane has felt similar to you... or maybe it was like I said, the hidden meanings of the words, and subconsciously connecting with the pure creative energy that spawned them in Kurt's head.

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Ha ha. The one thing I know for sure, it's that all drummers are INSANE. Like, certifiably. Good luck with that. As for your last paragraph, I completely know what you are saying. I am the same. If you got a Myspace with some tunes on it, u2u me the url. I'm gonna crash. I got an early morning ahead. Take care and I'll see you around!

This guy emailed me and said it was no coincidence that all these drummers kept flaking out on us. He says he has evidence or something that it is because of government mind control and electronic targeting and the greys. I dunno, I thought that was pretty heavy. Maybe it was the Greys that killed Kurt. I laugh, yet honestly nothing would surprise me in this world!

I dont believe for one second that Kurt killed himself. I always thought he was murdered.

Here is more from this site: www.altx.com...



...A more believable theory about Cobain's death suggests he was the victim of a CIA mind control experiment. An individual claiming to represent 'a private network of researchers' contacted me about this and arranged a meeting in the Temple Church on Fleet Street. Once I'd settled in a pew, a very nervous young man seated himself beside me. According to my contact, the CIA is deeply concerned about the subversive influence of popular music on young people, that's why 'they murdered Brian Jones, John Lennon and Jim Morrison'.

What's been worrying the spooks lately is the sway black radicalism has gained over the minds of white teenagers, to counter this 'they've been pushing Nation of Islam style separatism among rappers'. Likewise, the white Grunge movement spearheaded by Nirvana was backed by the CIA because 'they wanted to divide youngsters on racial lines, if black and white kids linked up, they'd pose a serious threat to the system. The whole point of Grunge is to instill in teenagers a sense of hopelessness, to fill them with self-hate and prevent them from changing the world.'

Apparently, the CIA got hold of Cobain when he was still unknown, then using drugs, hypnosis and medical torture, they broke his will and rebuilt his personality. 'Most of the time he'd act relatively normal,' I was told, 'but all it took was a few key words spoken over the phone and Cobain would carry out the deeds he'd been programmed to enact.' My contact was convinced that the singer had been brainwashed into committing suicide at the peak of his success because the CIA figured this would reduce his potentially rebellious fans to complete despair.

However, the conspiracy theorist admitted several of his fellow researchers thought Cobain had taken his own life as the only means of breaking free from the influence of his controllers. If this is the case, then the rock star is a hero rather than simply a victim, and his death provides grounds for a fresh outbreak of teenager rebellion.

Kurt Cobain suffered from Bipolar-disorder. He spent his whole life trying to self medicate. He couldn't take it and committed suicide as most people with bipolar disorder do.

Very sad, he was brilliant and died way before his time.

"Estimates of the completed suicide rate for individuals with bipolar disorder are approximately 15 percent. Between 25 and 50 percent attempt suicide at least once."

www.bipolar-lives.com...

www.psychlaws.org...

[edit on 21-12-2008 by paxnatus]

[edit on 21-12-2008 by paxnatus]

if you believe this you're retarded.

Uh oh, i hope they don't think i'm working for these CIA now because i went against this little theory

kurt cobain was an amazing person

1) he was too over dosed with HEROIN not morphine, his body was basically paralized from all the drugs, so he couldny have picked upa 15 pound gun and pulled the trgger.

2) he wass laying flat on the ground with the gun on top of him perfectly (kinda) centered. if you shoot yourself in the templ with a 20 guage shot gun standing up your probably going to land funny and the gun would not have been right on top of you.

3) the signature on his "suicide" note is nothing like the one on his record deal.

4) he said he left his resignation letter was under his pillow, they looked for it later and was never found, this is the resigntion letter not a suicide note, the end when it says take care of the baby and to live on courtny and i love you i love # is in total different hand writing.

5) courtny love was talking to the band about how the record sales would go up if cobain died.

6) the ejection chamber of the left side of the gun, and the shell be on the right side of the body.

i got some home work to finish so bye

Just a bit of info regarding the handwriting anomlies.

Some MK victims have been known to have several different styles of handwriting.

Just two cents there.

Cia did not kill him that whore Cortney Love took him from us. We would be much better off if she had died instead of him and would be rocking out to more of his awsome music.

The so call 'lethal dose' of heroin would of not killed him.
It would of killed someone who has never had heroin before, but not a full fledged drug addict. It doesn't work that way , they have a great tolerance towards the substance and can handle a lot more than the lethal doses people talk about.
I personally don't think he killed himself , i believe his ex-wife had something to do with it . He was planning to clean his life up and she was to be out of the picture. She didn't like this

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Maybe that's where he used to score his smack?

He might have been trying to go straight and the CIA knew he could expose their shady dealers...

Or maybe not.