Whot? A 135 read, and not a single reaction on this? Oh, yeah, and it's only five days until they vote it in now (which they will).

DR, I'm very sad to hear this and my heart is with you. Sweden, to my knowledge, has been a freedom-loving country and hasn't gone to war for over 400 years. I deeply respect your country's history with human rights and equal rights and I am extremely shocked that Sweden is taking this move.
I hope all goes well, but it doesn't look good, does it?
Thanks for bringing this to our attention, I haven't heard about this before. Please keep us posted.
THank you,
-Endrun.

No problem. I will of course keep you updated, and I'll post again when I know for certain the law has been passed, and complain (about ten minutes before I'm dragged away by masked policemen, I'd wager).

It's a bit weird. They don't want to let the people vote on this law, even though it concerns them most of all. And even if they wanted to, they can't, because who the hell would vote yes on a law allowing other people to listen in on his communication? Sheesh. So instead they expect (and force) their fellow party members to vote yes in the diet.

[edit on 12-6-2008 by David_Reale]

[edit on 12-6-2008 by David_Reale]

im from finland and yea, sweden is under a big nwo control. your military is being destroyed, only foreigners are coming in and so on. www.patriot.nu seems to be somekinda anti nwo group in sweden

Sweden is pretty much already an NWO country, no? They reportedly have 30% taxing already. Leftist parties are holding it hostage, with almost no dissenting views allowed?

First of all, www.patriot.nu is a nazi page and a nazi newspaper, so there's no help that I want against the NWO - that's the kind of groups who make the run-of-the-mill people believe all conspiracy theorists/truthers out there are nationalsocialists. I can't stand 'em. If you want a god-to-honest Swedish resistance against the New World Order, www.vaken.se is your choice.

As for Sweden being hijacked by the New World Order, I'd say we're close if nothing else. First of all, the 33% income tax. Second, the up and coming FRA-law. And of course we don't get to vote on the EU Lisbon treaty, or so it seems for now.

Also, our military is currently training with Danish troops in southern Sweden, as well as are fighting in "peace-keeping ops" in among other places Liberia and Afghanistan. We are going to train with Danish troops a lot in the future, and I've even heard rumors of a Scandinavian defense pact (Sort of like NATO, but smaller, and only for Scandinavia). I can't recall where I read it, but I think it was from the Swedish defense minsiter.

But we're also somewhat in luck, because for one, Sweden voted down the Euro when we had the chance - new vote is in 2009 I believe, and hopefully we'll vote it down again.

Sweden does have a history of trouble to be honest - in the 60's and 70's, Swedish leftist-citizens were being registerred for their political views by the Swedisn then-Intelligence Service, IB, Information Bureau. This was the so-called IB-affaire (Look it up if you will). The same thing seem to be happening these days with FRA, only the media silenes it.

Oh, and Sweden is neither being held hostage by leftists, rightists, or foreigners. Dissenting views are well allowed, so far, and while, yes, we have a lot of foreigners coming in, we also have an effed up policy for receiving them, where those who deserve to stay are sent away, and some that don't deserve to stay get to.

But still, it's a big planet - we can afford leaving other people some space as well. If they want to move to Sweden, no skin off my back. As long as they do it with honest intentions, which most of them do.

[edit on 14-6-2008 by David_Reale]

Thanks for the link. I read that story about a year ago or so, but not until now do I begin to put it into context, since MI5 is one of the biggest tools in the NWO toolbox.

As for voting on the Euro again, well...voting is one thing. Voting under fair elections...that's a whole different issue. But seeing what happened in Ireland gives me hope we still have another chance to slap EU in the face voting no to the Euro once again (and kick 'em in the groin for good measure). Then, on the other hand, it's our diet that is going to vote on the Lisbon treaty, not us, and the same with the FRA-law...

The vote on Euro, according to Wikipedia, is scheduled for after 2012. Guess I have the doomsday prophecy to worry about before I worry about the Euro. Anyway, the latest polls (probably rigged to make the numbers even up better) say about 50 to 55 percent of Sweden's population is against the Euro. That means, it's probably closer to 85 percent that is agaisnt it.

Of course, Sweden isn't alone. This is happening world wide. It's just that my country, Sweden, is the last country I expected this to happen in, about the time it had happened in every other country already. Guess I was living in an illusion.

Just a small sidenote/update on the whole issue, but, the Pirate Bay has gotten rid of their Pirate Ship logo, and put up an alert for all visitors about the FRA-law being passed soon, instead. I won't put up the adress to the site here, being it's semi-illegal and all that, but just google Pirate Bay and you'll get to see it. Hopefully that'll help inform some people about the whole issue.

I can confirm this is true. All the major ISP's are bound by law to send a copy of all traffic to FRA so they can monitor everything originating from within the Swedish borders.

It will be interesting to see what this will be used for. I didnt expect Sweden to be the first country for this. Maybe its because Swedes never protest to anything in a serious way, so they know they can get away with it.

Smart move to do this during the 5-6 weeks of vacations we have too.



[edit on 15-6-2008 by Copernicus]

I just got a newsletter from the Swedish Pirate Party about the law. They're holding another demonstration in Malmoe next thuesday - the same day they're voting for it it seems. They've held eight demonstrations in Malmoe so far, and many in other parts of the country as well. According to themselves they're getting a lot of response from the people, so it seems all hope is not lost yet.

I tell y'all what - if they fail to pass this law, I'll invite every ATS-member who is free for the weekend, to a huge friggin' party in good old Sweden, where we'll celebrate by throwing one hell of an outdoor party with lots of beer, tequila, and tasty food. Just to get a chance to enjoy a victory over the NWO for once.

Oh, and if it's passed, you're all welcome to join the armed uprising instead.

[edit on 15-6-2008 by David_Reale]

Update

It seems the law won't be voted on in the diet until the 18th of June after all. Maybe there will be a debate in the 17th. Either way, its soon. I just hope those good-for-nothing corrupt politicians finally take a stand and vote NO!

How likely is it that some of your officials will resist this law? I don;t know if you have representatives the way we do (or are supposed to anyway) but haven't they commented on this at all. Is your press and media as subordinate to the whole corporate/NWO mafia as ours is?

As it seems right now, the entire left block of our political scene will resist the law, but only because they have a few things they want changed in it - they also want it in reality. I mailed a few of our diet members that were from Scania (my part of Sweden), and only got one response. She said she was going to vote no, but then gave the whole rant about terrorists, explaining she only voted no, because the protection of integrity writtne into the law wasn't enough. Stupid woman - how can you maintain integrity when you're being wiretapped? Argh.

Also, our media has only written one or two articles about the law - at least our mainstream media - there's been a few articles more in computer magazines for example. But that's about it.

This is terrible :O I guess it's just a matter of time before this crap gets blown with the wind to DK.

Recently in DK, and in Sweden I hope, it surfaced that leading members of our political parties back in the coldwar days served as spies for the Americans, passing on sensitive information to the agencies that waged a silent war.
So they've been passing under our radar for so long, but now they can't even be bothered.

I'm crossing my fingers for you mate. Otherwise we have to move to Norway as long as it remains outside...

Yeah. Or Africa. Africa is bad with war and stuff - but they have no way the control the government has in civilized nations. So that's where I'm heading for if the sh*t hits the fan. There's a bigger chance of surviving over there than here if the New World Order comes into fruit.

Originally posted by flice


I'm crossing my fingers for you mate. Otherwise we have to move to Norway as long as it remains outside...

Norway is good until the EU decides to use Bushism to solve its homegrown impending energy shortage. Russia can't be blackmailed, but Norway is a close neighbour, relatively weak and rich in petroleum and gas (methane), just what the doctor prescribed.

1940, remember 1940.

Well, for now, it seems the voting on the law has been pushed on a few days, to "tighten" the integrity protection in it. In truth, it's only to put some more coats of paint on it so that it looks fancier, and so that they can convince enough A-holes in the diet to vote yes. I don't have all the details yet, and since my lunch break is over soon I don't have time to check now, but I'll post a more thorough report on it later today.