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Originally posted by Rockpuck
Every week I swear ATS makes me spit coffee on my screen and think to my self.. WHAT the HECK are you guys thinking?
Manners and decorum, they are nessecary for a smooth running atmosphere to create intelligent debate.
This is true.
However I must say that I find it so incredibly short sighted at the people ATS chooses to "point out".
Now now SO before you think I am just defending Masonry I am not.
Freemasons on the Secret Society forum grow increasingly, most of the new Masons in there are past conspiracy theorist FROM ATS >> including my self.
How is it you find it so odd that - and I quote - "groups of people" who are having their institution, philosophy and way of life attacked respond, in kind, with the SAME VIGOR?
Christians who have their faith attacked on specific forums are catagorized into "groups of people" because they share a like minded belief in their religion and defend it, because it is who they are. How dare ATS group them like that..
They are not a group. They are individuals. Just as in Freemasonry every Freemason in the Forum is an INDIVIDUAL and DO NOT ACT IN ACCORDANCE WITH ONE ANTOHER TO FORM A "GROUP".
Why are people against Christianity not grouped into "groups of people" .. why, I do believe ATS would have a "gang stalking" group of anti Christians! ..
I am against Christianity in general, I do not consider my self a Christian, but when I say something against Christianity and several people respond in kind against what I say I do not think "omg, they are ganging up on me!" NO .. They act as individuals.
My last point is you will see tempers flare (as mine are now as I am tired of Masons being unjustly targeted by ATS) when you deal with sensitive issues on ATS where a debate forumlates it's self around SOME ONE ELSES beliefs!
Race, Religion, Philosophy, Politics, Nationality.
These are things that will be highly high strung debates, warns will fly, threads will get off topic.
Not justifying bad behavior, just saying IT SHOULD BE EXPECTED.
And ATS should not decide which side to side with! .. It is quite obvious when you say "Freemasons grouping together" and "Christians grouping together" and no doubt in race threads and political threads you choose one side to say "ah, they are causing ALL the problems!"
If your going to create a forum where people's ways of life are disected, INSULTED, scrutinized and balatently attacked you should expect people to respond with the same vigor.
I suppose the Christian population should just roll over and not partake in debate huh?
Let me make it clear to you SO .. Freemasons, and Christians for that matter do not collaborate in some grand scheme to "attack" people who oppose them.
I believe the problem ATS is having is over generalization and stereotyping.
Civility And Decorum Are Expected
To this I agree. I think ATS is just going about it all the wrong way.
In the end I think we must decide.. is this an intelligent forum for intelligent debate or is this just another conspiracy forum, and opposers to conspiracies are not welcomed?
Just my opinion, don't hate me for it.
Originally posted by Allred5923
[Golfers clap in the back-round, 'silently']
Don't you get it? it is no "DEBATE" , there is no conspiracy produced by "Atheists" there is nothing more than you defending something that you whole hardily believe that everyone else around you should believe,,,, I don't freaking get any of your so called "Religion is the only way" scenario's.
It is not "Here" and not definitely not "NOW" in any respect, "It Lay's with in your selves, not the ATS public."
Originally posted by Peepers
Religion, the most corrupt, destructive, evil, absurd, false, fable, ficticious mind control tale(s) ever devised by the mind of man.
Ya would think there god would at least stop by for the hearing and check in for there defense. I rest my case..............
TextIn fact, evolution became in a sense a scientific religion; almost all scientists have accepted it and many are prepared to 'bend' their observations to fit in with it.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Allred5923
It's Rock - Puck. Personally, I have never had a problem spelling a users name, seeing as it sits in front of you to see, and copy from. Not entirely TO hard..
Well , I guess you are so perfect that you have never made an "Honest" mistake?
Actually, it's not. In fact, it has nothing what so ever to do with politics either. It is a philosophical view point that I feel, and many other feel, is an accurate description of Faith interlocking belief patterns, even ingrained into the subconscious to be implemented in everything you and I do.
Who mentioned politics, you are in the wrong forum. And as for the "Psychobabble" you are intertwining with a self analysis, I have no regrets of what and who I am, and not to mention, "Not imposing other worldly thoughts of another mans considerations" into any one's head.
The peace I find in my way of life can only be wished upon you and your thought patterns.
Unless you can refute it, calling me a Fascist really makes no difference to me.
Glad to hear it, then why the hub-bub over the acknowledgement of being lesser of a person then you are for not having this so called "Belief System" and the degradation that came with it?
I would like to make another suggestion (aside from getting your eyes checked seeing as you couldn't even read my name) and that would be to get a Websters dictionary, read the description of Fascism, and then study the philosophies of Fascism.
You apparently have an inept knowledge of that which you speak of.
Definition: clumsy, unskilled; incompetent
If you asked me, if I were a MOD, this would have you out of here in a heart beat, "Now , take that back!!!"
The word "fascist" ( or "fascism") is sometimes used to denigrate people, institutions or groups that would not describe themselves as ideologically fascist, and that may not fall within the formal definition of the word. As a political epithet, the word fascist has been applied to a broad range of people and groups on the extreme right for the most part, but also to groups on the far left and most points in between. It has also been applied to
people of many religious faiths, particularly fundamentalist groups.
Not surprisingly, the individual, institution or group(s) called fascist often find the use of the term in this way to be highly offensive and inappropriate.
I was unaware that I made such a claim during this exchange? ..
'EXCHANGE?" get real, you were bad mouthing anyone who wasn't on your particular frame of thinking, and bet your bottom dollar, I will defend and deny any long breath belief you have with the facts, not my way of thinking imposed on you!!
Because of your typing style I am finding you difficult to understand. Are you implying that because Christians out number Atheist in these debates it therefore lacks logic? .. And you would rather remove the religious aspect to have all forms of disagreement cease so that instead of a debate, a conversation can take place?
No, "I don't want too hear about your 'Religious' implications and self absorbed notions! And if my typing is that unbearable for you, maybe I should be doing this in "Aramaic" or possibly "Swahili"?
It is entirely logical and reasonable that when a topic is being discussed that goes against the belief system of another member of this site, that they will add their opinion.
"You really don't get it "Origin's and Creationism" or "Religious Beliefs systems" what is on the threads as a title as we speak? Get over it, and don't try to sway the unintellectual mumbo towards me.
Again, you make no sense. To believe in only your self is to deny every belief system. It's simply the rejection of all religious institutions and philosophies, and is in it's self a philosophy that borders religion in the sense that you worship the void of a deity rather then the deity it's self. If scientific theories (and they are only theories) replace the need for a deity, in an obscure way it could be said that THAT is the God to which you subscribe.
How many times can a guy/gal use the word "Sense"? Philosophy is a good thing, it allows us to be able to understand the rhetorical and conversational parts of our lives, not to be slathered outwardly with a frothy mouth and unjust comments.
And "Yes", I only believe in myself, I am an Atheist , nothing more nothing less, a live and breathing , "Breathing your precious air.." So, guess I am a reality as well, "Philosophy and religion?" Sheesh, got to do better than that "ROCK ----P---UCK" is the spelling to your approval, geesh, I truly hope so.
So just like Christians don't like their beliefs being scrutinized, you also do not like your beliefs scrutinized. That is both inwardly destructive as well as cowardly.
You know, when I was younger I was raised by farmers from the central US, and I was brought up to know that there was a right time to say something, and there was a very wrong time to say something.
This is one of those times where I have to let myself think it would of been the "Wrong" time to say something.
Talk all you want, "To people that want to hear it."
You have manged to create a possible dislike for the words you are using against me.
And I never scrutinized any religion for that matter, I just don't care to hear about it, one way or the other, go to those forums and post, they will accept your "Ideologies" with open arms I am sure.
You preach to me of acceptance and acknowledging differences when you shun the debate of those who oppose your own way of thinking? Hypocritical, at best and a complete logical fallacy to say that you, a man who rejects peoples of faith, are also accepting and understanding.
I have no desire to preach, and if you think I was preaching, you are reading me way off of base!
"Hypocritical at best" , "Complete logical fallacy", "A man who rejects Faith", what are trying to do here, I am a bit ticked by "ALL" of your remarks, and I hope that someone of importance comes across them to either set you straight with your forum etiquette or a proper way of understanding that you can't read posts angrily and closed minded form your points of views.
I am not pushing ":Atheism" on you at all, I was just making my piece heard for the fact of the religious discussions are a truly one sided and self implying power of no acceptance, as you have so kindly provided by your post to me .
"I AM Atheist!!" I have no religion, and I definitely don't preach, I have a point of view, but I also have a thing called logical common sense, for the most part.
There is nothing I believe in, and nothing you can show me to make a difference at this stage of conversation, as far as I can tell, "My worst day was probably one of your best days."
Keep it to yourself, or share it with people that want to hear about "Your points of View."